THE OFFICIAL MK11 COMPLAINT/RANT THREAD

[NothingPersonal]

Also I don't like the blue impact animations.

 

[Solo]

I’m mad that Liu Kang ain’t never shown in the early trailers. Put some respect on his name, Man. He should be first always.

 

[ShepherdOfFire]

For now my only complaints are :

- The number of characters, 25 (and we don't even know if the Day One DLC Shao Khan is part of the 25 slots). We should have at least as many characters as I2.
- The announcer saying "FATALITY... Scorpion wins" instead of "Scorpion wins, FATALITY"

And I think that's it

 

[darthbrooks]

I can't stand the art direction. I mean, it's essentially a nicer INJ2 look, but I find it way too polished for MK. I was hoping for older MK3 / MKX grittiness. Also, the UI makes it look like a mobile game.

 

[HeavyNorse]

Pretty sure Cassie isn't a skin. On one image you can see her customisation slots.

Ah well, a man can dream.

 

[RoGE]

Regarding meter management:

https://www.gamecrate.com/mortal-kombat-11-developer-interview-towers-of-time-how-gear-works-secret-characters/21980

GC: We have an offense and a defense meter now. How do you fill those up?

PG: They'll just fill up over time, at a rate that's dependent on what you did. So if it's a move that's really strong, it will fill up slower once you use it, and if it's something that's not as strong then it will fill up quicker. But the idea is to make it so that you play the game and you don't really have to look at it until you need it. We're trying to make it so you can just play and do moves at your own pace, and those are more of the constratints, so you can't spam moves and things like that. But it just fills up over time depending on what you did.

Actually you know what? I like it after reading that. I want to see how they balance all the ex moves around it.

 

[TackyHaddock]

I like it so far, I would just prefer if they would change combo damage pts to damage percentage.

Agreed, that was one of the lazy ways that they did not even TRY to differentiate it from Injustice!

 

[AbeW]

a) SMASH is super fking fast and sophisticated, it has been alive and growing for 19 years.
b) Tekken has 50/50s to high heaven
c) Tom Brady - neutral neutral footsies footsie loud mouth..yet mains Grandclonemaster with the single biggest neutral breaking move in FG history.

GIT GUD you NRS scrubs if you can't deal with 50/50s and speed. You're a real warrior wannabe! But you wanna walk slowly, not run in the midst of a fight. MK11 has a guaranteed death in 10 months tops. MKX will stay alive for years to come. Fk off.

 

[TackyHaddock]

Also, I could not hear any sound effect when punches/kicks/etc. connect. I want some oomph there ffs

 

[DDustiNN]

Agreed, that was one of the lazy ways that they did not even TRY to differentiate it from Injustice!

We have to wait and see whether or not damage and health are normalized across characters. It could be the case where characters may naturally have slightly different health values based on their defense and damage output, like some other games do. If that’s the case, people would be upset about percentages being different against different characters.

But if that’s not the case, I agree and would greatly prefer percentage values.

 

[DDustiNN]

Also, I could not hear any sound effect when punches/kicks/etc. connect. I want some oomph there ffs

Watch better videos. There are plenty of them out there now. Direct captures have the very deep, hard-hitting sounds that NRS is known for. The live stream seemed to have some sounds drowned out or missing, likely due to the setup.

 

[HeavyNorse]

GIT GUD you NRS scrubs

Ew, how tacky...

 

[TackyHaddock]

We have to wait and see whether or not damage and health are normalized across characters. It could be the case where characters may naturally have slightly different health values based on their defense and damage output, like some other games do. If that’s the case, people would be upset about percentages being different against different characters.

But if that’s not the case, I agree and would greatly prefer percentage values.

Hmm, not sure it is an issue of character balance, just the way of expressing damage amount. Whether to use “30%” or “300” is really just an asthetic choice, and the former is far more MK like

 

[leoj89]

- Sub-Zero base outfit wtf
- The general UI is tacky compared to MKX
- I don't like the defense and offense meters being split especially in an L shape
- meter burned and enhanced moves need to be universal inputs
*- I'm not 100% on board with Fatal Blows taking over from x-rays but trying hard to reserve judgement until I actually play the game.
- walk or dash speed looks like it needs to be slightly sped up otherwise looking like a zoning fest
- Scarlett looks annoying af to fight against already

please don't take this post too serious just some opinions and observations made in good fun.


*edit: I didn't know Fatal and krushing blows were different things .

 

[HeavyNorse]

I found one other thing I wish they would change...
The saved moves are hanging rather low down on the screen. I hope we can change that.

 

[DDustiNN]

Hmm, not sure it is an issue of character balance, just the way of expressing damage amount. Whether to use “30%” or “300” is really just an asthetic choice, and the former is far more MK like

Right, but if health bars are different for each character, they wouldn’t be the same. For example, 300 is 30% of a 1,000 point health bar... 300 is only 27% of a 1,100 point health bar. See what I’m saying? That’s the reason they did that in Injustice 2. Saying 300 is just more consistent.

That being said... have to wait and see if that’s the case with MKX.

 

[TackyHaddock]

Right, but if health bars are different for each character, they wouldn’t be the same. For example, 300 is 30% of a 1,000 point health bar... 300 is only 27% of a 1,100 point health bar. See what I’m saying? That’s the reason they did that in Injustice 2. Saying 300 is just more consistent.

That being said... have to wait and see if that’s the case with MKX.

Why would healthbars for different characters not all be equal?

 

[leoj89]

When the game is released all the top tournament players are going to hide in private discords.

 

[DDustiNN]

Why would healthbars for different characters not all be equal?

Because not all characters are physically equal. In Mortal Kombat, health has always been normalized, but some fighting games balance it differently. Look at Street Fighter, for example:

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/feb/16/stamina-and-stun-rankings-street-fighter-5/

https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/8r0tb8/effective_health_values_for_the_cast_of_street/

https://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2008/oct/05/stamina-stun-dash-and-jump-rankings-street-fighter-4/

You can see that characters have differing stamina (health) values, with 1,000 being the “average” value. Some could have 900, some could have 1,100.

Basically it makes logical sense that someone like Geras would have better defense than someone physically weaker like Sonya. So weaker characters would generally have other tools to make up for it, such as better agility, maybe more or harder-hitting specials, etc. It’s just a different layer of balance.

I’m just saying is possible we could see something similar in MK11, though we don’t know yet.

 

[PetulantWaste]

The Krushing Blows are literally half a fucking second longer this is such a dumb casuals meme.

How many I2 or MKX matches did you play? 10,000? More? If each of these matches has 6 seconds of animation cinematics thats 60,000 seconds spent watching cinematics, 1000 minutes, over 16 hours spent watching them. It gets old.

 

[HeavyNorse]

I prefer equal HP for all characters. Then it's one last thing for NRS to worry about when it comes to balancing.

 

[Krabman]

Looks a little bland to begin with but we don't really know much yet. MK has so many awesome characters and I feel Cassie, Sonya, and Johnny hold too many spots. Did they really need to add another Cage? lol

 

[DDustiNN]

I prefer equal HP for all characters. Then it's one last thing for NRS to worry about when it comes to balancing.

I agree. But whether we like it or not, we need to understand it. I’m just explaining it for people who aren’t used to it. I noticed a lot of people couldn’t wrap their head around that concept with Injustice 2.

Injustice 2 had to balance health, defense, strength, etc, with all of the gear stats and upgrades, so it made sense not to use percentages there. They would vary much too wildly and cause players to complain. Luckily MK11 won’t have stats like that (at least not visible to us). If anything, I would guess health only, but that still has yet to be seen. It’s just the only reason I can see damage numbers being the way they currently are.

 

[Deleted member 5032]

The only thing I’m really worried about at this point is the fact that X-Rays, oops, I mean “fatal blows”, aren’t tied to meter. This means that as long as it doesn’t whiff or isn’t blocked, we’re going to be seeing every character’s X-Ray every match, since there there is no reason not to use it. I imagine that’s going to get real old, real quick.

 

[DDustiNN]

The only thing I’m really worried about at this point is the fact that X-Rays, oops, I mean “killling blows”, aren’t tied to meter. This means that as long as it doesn’t whiff or isn’t blocked, we’re going to be seeing every character’s X-Ray every match, since there there is no reason not to use it. I imagine that’s going to get real old, real quick.

I would like to see additional Fatal Blows. Multiple x-rays per character was a somewhat common request, for the exact reason you stated. Now with character customization, choosing stuff such as special moves, intros, win poses, etc... they have the perfect system in place to allow people to choose between different Fatal Blows. I really hope they do that, but I know I shouldn’t hold my breath.