That depends on the player I think. What's your favorite position to be in? You can use anything to punish a dash if you really know it's coming. Your character examples of Aquaman (usually just max damage) and Zatanna (setups/resets) also affect how they prefer to control a match.
So wait, is it possible to react to forward dashes then?
its def possible at ranges to anticipate a forward dash yes.
Are you talking about Superman's F2 or Flying Punch?
f2
Are you sure? It seems like such a huge risk, F2 has like 33 recovery frames and even back dashing could lead to whiff punishing by a jump in. :\
you wouldn't be doing it on a guess
This post right here is the exact reason why I love watching high level SF4. The neutral game is so deep
Lol it really isn'tThis post right here is the exact reason why I love watching high level SF4. The neutral game is so deep
Are you saying whiff punishing is pure luck? Just curious, based on how you worded this I'm a little confused by what you meant.
lol no, i know it takes skill and can be done anytime, idot think we seen any yet but im saying for future Gifs to not be just some lucky whiff
Some of them are rewards of risks if that's what you mean by "luck"
For a few seconds i though you were talking about NW, the i realized is not NW is NW hahaha, and i have to agree, NW do have a strong neutral game, i used to hate it because Roque used to be very good at his neutral.
Maybe “deep” isn’t the right wording haha, but I do feel the level of thought that goes into the game, after the 5 or so years it’s been out, has really brought the game to a level very few fighters are able to achieve or see when it comes to high level play. I can’t refute what you said, but I do feel when I watch players like Snakeeyes, PR Rog, Haitani, Smug, Daigo, Infiltration, Fuudo, or even you, there’s a deep level of thought that goes into the neutral game, whether it be subconscious or not. Just my philosophy on it.
The majority of the whiffs showcased were (in my opinion) excellent reads and not luck. For example, in the first gif, Noobe was reluctant to dash in because he knew Theo would d1 into trident rush for chip which would further widen the life deficit.
It's a lot of guessing. It's a level of reads in Street fighter, they just need to force people to do something, but that's limiting options using normals and such.Maybe “deep” isn’t the right wording haha, but I do feel the level of thought that goes into the game, after the 5 or so years it’s been out, has really brought the game to a level very few fighters are able to achieve or see when it comes to high level play. I can’t refute what you said, but I do feel when I watch players like Snakeeyes, PR Rog, Haitani, Smug, Daigo, Infiltration, Fuudo, or even you, there’s a deep level of thought that goes into the neutral game, whether it be subconscious or not. Just my philosophy on it.
Just as @NRF CharlieMurphy said, for character with safe dash ins, it would be done in anticipation. The safest normal to use to catch dash ins in my opinion are ones with quick startup and recovery (Superman d1/ doomsday d1, cyborg d1) so just in case they jump in you have a better chance to block the jump in attack.
I think the best way to punish forward dashes is to d1~special. If they don't forward dash you just do the d1 without the special and it is hard to whiff punish since d1 has fast recovery for mostly everyone. Doing a safe special is probably better in case you press the d1 too late and they block. As BA I do d1~lightning hands and it is a great way to keep forward dashes in check.
