The Cheapest Character?

[jayy_coleworld]

I really don't think Canary or Catwoman are that nasty. They are balanced because they are rushdown in your face type characters that have to get in in order to do their stuff. I don't even mind deadshot, he is a zoner he does his thing from afar.

Batman on the other hand when he is upclose he is the most overwhelming character in the game even more than Bane or Grodd and that is not it, when he is afar he can throw projectiles while moving back building meter and waiting for his trait to charge so that he can get back in your face with his infinite "plus" frames and ambiguous crossups. Batman players say his zoning is "mediocre" WTF he can zone almost half the cast and stand toe to toe with many of the other characters (blue beetle, firestorm, red hood, poison ivy, joker) in the zoning department.

Most overwhelming up close? Lol have you not seen what flash can do? Bane is only REALLY overwhelming once he knocks you down. Also catwoman is broken cause you cannot hit her for s***. She hits you with the string and either backdahses or jumps back with the still really really good j2. If you tried to press buttons shes most likely already recovered or her j2 is stuffing you. Batmans really only can zone out a handful of characters imo. Which are probably swamp thing, Robin, joker, batman(on a health lead), scarecrow, cheetah, grodd, and canary(maybe). Some of these characters have their own projectile too or a way to get in. Plus nobody really even picks half these characters anyways

 

[Skedar70]

Most overwhelming up close? Lol have you not seen what flash can do? Bane is only REALLY overwhelming once he knocks you down. Also catwoman is broken cause you cannot hit her for s***. She hits you with the string and either backdahses or jumps back with the still really really good j2. If you tried to press buttons shes most likely already recovered or her j2 is stuffing you. Batmans really only can zone out a handful of characters imo. Which are probably swamp thing, Robin, joker, batman(on a health lead), scarecrow, cheetah, grodd, and canary(maybe). Some of these characters have their own projectile too or a way to get in. Plus nobody really even picks half these characters anyways

My boy jayy_coleworld coming in fast with the downplay.

 

[jayy_coleworld]

My boy jayy_coleworld coming in fast with the downplay.

Cause I said his zoning isn't that good? Or cause I said flash is more scarier up close lol you also said catwoman is balanced which is Lol worthy. That is the true downplay

 

[Flamelurkr]

Yeah and I'm telling you it's not fuzzyable because of the delay. I have ppl who have played against her since I mained her in the beta. None of them block her 100% of the time it's just not possible. You're not reacting to the delay because she can do it without the delay and go straight into low or overhead and hold it for a legit split second and catch your fuzzy on the way up while u attempt to cover the OH option after the low. You can play against her 100 times over it won't matter u can't block her correctly everytime it's just not possible unless the canary player is predictable as hell. She can make herself safe on legit anything bruh. So if you want to be technical 21 & 23 are safe as long as u have lvl 2 or 1 which she has 90% of the time. That's a safe 50/50 and she has a fullscreen combo starter. The flash stuff is your opinion idrc how you feel about comparing the two

I never said I could block her 100 percent of the time, but I'll still argue you can fuzzy and react at midscreen. I don't think you understood my point. Yes she can make her 50s safe and yes she has a full screen launcher, but you have to choose. To list out all of her positives and recognize none of these negatives is lazy. You literally put the two sentences together. "Make her 50s safe 90 percent of the time and full screen launcher." You do realize how subjective this response is?

 

[Meep8345]

Being patient against zoning is about getting in through making the right reads. If you always patiently inch your way in the zoner is gonna have to try something to get you back out. It can be very read based and if you're on the receiving end, there is very little in the way of a mixup holding gou back.

Being patient against Batman pressure is about knowing when you can poke out and when he is not forcing you to respect something. The issue is that Batman has something that forces you to respect him 90% of the time. 12 is +6 on block, bats will make you have to hold - frames and give Batman a full combo for high damage every time, bat cancels greatly enhance Batman's stagger pressure and sometimes give him + frames, Batman has one of the better F3s in the game that he can also use instead of something you would normally have to hold to become + on block or get a full combo, J2 gives him instant access to all of this and is one of the best jumping attacks in the game no doubt. I haven't even added throws into all of this.

How do I stay patient with all the ways Batman can mix me up? Unless I have amazing reactions I'm going to get hit, sooner or later.

I'll admit I said that mostly out of salt but I don't think you understand that character's like deadshot,starfire,ivy,etc just aren't zoners that throw fireballs all day. They force you to inch your way in just to have to deal with their amazing footsie tools or pressure and if you don't have a projectile that can go even with theirs you're gonna have a rough time until you can start something. Anyways, his f3 is 28 frames, the overhead part of b23 is reactable, and b11 is 9 frames.113 and 11 b11 can be fuzzied, yeah he can do a johnny type mix up with s1 b11 but b11 doesn't get much damage off it but if he has bar can lead into his dumb vortex and besides if you played enough johnny's in mkx you shouldn't get hit too often by it. He can only mostly open you up with throws,bats,cross-ups, or catching you pressing buttons. 12 is +6 and if he goes for b11 you can backdash it and whiff punish. There are options against his pressure you just have to make reads, when he gets bats his pressure gets even better and he has them all the time but when you block one you don't have to hold anything you're neutral. Also if you have a bar of meter just pushblock him if he's charging for more bats and has some up. His only good trait cancels are b2 and 12 and only 12 is plus. Yes batman is a top tier character no doubt but he is not the cheapest character in the game. That without a doubt goes to deadshot. Does batman force you to work your way in all the time then just to eat 50/50's? Does batman have a legit launching 50/50 outside of his jip2 vortex? Does batman have a good wakeup?

 

[Meep8345]

I really don't think Canary or Catwoman are that nasty. They are balanced because they are rushdown in your face type characters that have to get in in order to do their stuff. I don't even mind deadshot, he is a zoner he does his thing from afar.

Batman on the other hand when he is upclose he is the most overwhelming character in the game even more than Bane or Grodd and that is not it, when he is afar he can throw projectiles while moving back building meter and waiting for his trait to charge so that he can get back in your face with his infinite "plus" frames and ambiguous crossups. Batman players say his zoning is "mediocre" WTF he can zone almost half the cast and stand toe to toe with many of the other characters (blue beetle, firestorm, red hood, poison ivy, joker) in the zoning department.

You just said that batman is the most overwhelming character in the game up close but mentioned a character that has safe launching 50/50's into half your life gone into more 50/50's. Batman doesn't have infinite plus frames mb batarang is the most plus you can be at around 20 but it has a lot of push back but its still a good tool. 113 has a gap and 12 is +4 and you can backdash his followup b11, yeah he can read your backdash but you're making him adapt to you not just mindlessly pressure. His zoning is mediocre have you ever played batman,he has really average zoning also that's hilarious if you think he can zone ivy or beetle lol. His projectile just gives him a way to build meter, play lame on a life lead, and keep from getting zoned hard. It's crazy to me how you say you don't mind deadshot but think batman is the cheapest character. If you think deadshot is fine I think you're just playing people that mash bf1 and don't mix up their timing on it or use it to AA jumps fullscreen and don't use all the dumb mixups he has. This character literally has a mind game in a 50/50 lol

 

[Kooron Nation]

The most cheap character in the game is the alien robot named Brainiac who can just spam his divekick without risk. Okay sweet so you think you've caught on to his divekicks? Hold this long range low d1 into tendrill. How can he be called Brainiac when he's literally braindead?

 

[x TeeJay o]

I never said I could block her 100 percent of the time, but I'll still argue you can fuzzy and react at midscreen. I don't think you understood my point. Yes she can make her 50s safe and yes she has a full screen launcher, but you have to choose. To list out all of her positives and recognize none of these negatives is lazy. You literally put the two sentences together. "Make her 50s safe 90 percent of the time and full screen launcher." You do realize how subjective this response is?

Dude there's nothing to choose lmao. Let's say she does 21 level 2 cry and you block it all. Ok she loses level 2 and her turn she's safe. You start your offense and you don't open her up and then your turn is over. She jumps back in , does 23 this time because by that point IT'S BACK AGAIN LOL into level 2 and you block it. She's safe again or you got hit by the mix into a vortex for 40%. Id rather have a fullscreen launcher for a combo than running man stance

 

[RNLDRGN]

Batman is hated because he has almost no weaknesses, excels at both zoning and rushdown, gets free plus frames every few seconds, and has very simple openers, combos, and general execution.

Yes he is much more open ended than say Superman or Deadshot, but he can be beyond frustrating at a mid to lower high-level play with how effective J2 + bats pressure can be. Esp when less than half the cast can effectively AA him.

 

[Skedar70]

You just said that batman is the most overwhelming character in the game up close but mentioned a character that has safe launching 50/50's into half your life gone into more 50/50's. Batman doesn't have infinite plus frames mb batarang is the most plus you can be at around 20 but it has a lot of push back but its still a good tool. 113 has a gap and 12 is +4 and you can backdash his followup b11, yeah he can read your backdash but you're making him adapt to you not just mindlessly pressure. His zoning is mediocre have you ever played batman,he has really average zoning also that's hilarious if you think he can zone ivy or beetle lol. His projectile just gives him a way to build meter, play lame on a life lead, and keep from getting zoned hard. It's crazy to me how you say you don't mind deadshot but think batman is the cheapest character. If you think deadshot is fine I think you're just playing people that mash bf1 and don't mix up their timing on it or use it to AA jumps fullscreen and don't use all the dumb mixups he has. This character literally has a mind game in a 50/50 lol

Hahaha man you batman players are all the same. Sure your character is completely fair you guys are just amazing players using an honest ordinary man in a game with kriptonians, cyborgs and psionic apes.

 

[Flamelurkr]

Dude there's nothing to choose lmao. Let's say she does 21 level 2 cry and you block it all. Ok she loses level 2 and her turn she's safe. You start your offense and you don't open her up and then your turn is over. She jumps back in , does 23 this time because by that point IT'S BACK AGAIN LOL into level 2 and you block it. She's safe again or you got hit by the mix into a vortex for 40%. Id rather have a fullscreen launcher for a combo than running man stance

I don't think you understand my point. You choose to be safe or have a neutral tool. It's what makes her balanced. Her cry takes longer than one turn even for lvl 2. You can't string into lvl2 cry without losing her biggest threat, lvl 3.

 

[x TeeJay o]

I don't think you understand my point. You choose to be safe or have a neutral tool. It's what makes her balanced. Her cry takes longer than one turn even for lvl 2. You can't string into lvl2 cry without losing her biggest threat, lvl 3.

If you've been paying attention to her lately, level 3 isn't even get most important level 2 is. Level 3 is most dangerous but it takes forever to charge and its like a huge resource. Level 2 is better in a lot of matchups because it has amazing range and leads into vortexs that loop her to have level 2 again. You're really under selling how good her level 2 is you make it seem like it doesn't exist lol. But enough w all of the small talk let's just agree to disagree. I think she's cheap and you don't. Not the end of the world man

 

[Meep8345]

Hahaha man you batman players are all the same. Sure your character is completely fair you guys are just amazing players using an honest ordinary man in a game with kriptonians, cyborgs and psionic apes.

What!? Did you see anywhere where I said the character is completely fair? Batman has his dirt, good plus frames,vortex, dumb jip2,etc but he isn't as broken as you want to say. Also what does other characters being cyborgs and kryptionians have anything to do with how cheap batman is? You're acting like he's +27 on block kung lao or CEO Tanya.

 

[Skedar70]

What!? Did you see anywhere where I said the character is completely fair? Batman has his dirt, good plus frames,vortex, dumb jip2,etc but he isn't as broken as you want to say. Also what does other characters being cyborgs and kryptionians have anything to do with how cheap batman is? You're acting like he's +27 on block kung lao or CEO Tanya.

Isn't he like +19 after meterburn batarang? Who the hell in the game has those instant plus frames? He is busted. No character in the game has that amount of shit in their arsenal. They may excel at one thing but not in everything. STFU you downplayer.

 

[Mista_Snacks]

Batman is the only character where, even if I win I feel like I lost.

 

[Reauxbot]

Genji is def. one of them, along with Tracer

As a tracer main a lot of idiots will tell me Tracer is OP.
Forgets she sits at 150 health...

 

[Reauxbot]

Isn't he like +19 after meterburn batarang? Who the hell in the game has those instant plus frames? He is busted. No character in the game has that amount of shit in their arsenal. They may excel at one thing but not in everything. STFU you downplayer.

You can backdash that you on labbing son of a gun.
He has to dash forward. On that note he becomes neutral. So you can contest him or backdash.
#KnowYourOptions.

 

[Reauxbot]

My boy jayy_coleworld coming in fast with the downplay.

Good thing Batman doesn't have an overhead starter. Lol

 

[jayy_coleworld]

Good thing Batman doesn't have an overhead starter. Lol

Said I downplayed when he called catwoman balanced lol o.k.

 

[Meep8345]

Isn't he like +19 after meterburn batarang? Who the hell in the game has those instant plus frames? He is busted. No character in the game has that amount of shit in their arsenal. They may excel at one thing but not in everything. STFU you downplayer.

Lol the batman salt is too real. You know he can't even really get a followup after because of pushback right? I mean have you even labbed him or just lost a ranked set and said "he's so broke I cant just mash" Btw deadshot,superman,supergirl,etc would love to say hi. Superman has better pressure,footsies,and corner 50/50's and a vortex like batman. So I really don't understand why you think he's busted as those characters. Maybe you can't react to 28 frames lol

 

[Hardcore_Harley]

SG huh? Are talking wifi SG?

I can't believe you said that....... xD

 

[Darth-Nero]

Genji is def. one of them, along with Tracer

No he isn't lol. Tracer is a high risk high reward hero that takes a lot of time to master how to carry your weight with her without dying off of random shit. On the other hand, everything Genji does is without risk. He has the best mobility in the game, easy burst damage combo and his defense have no counter play cuz his moves are cancelable into on another.

 

[wsj515]

No he isn't lol. Tracer is a high risk high reward hero that takes a lot of time to master how to carry your weight with her without dying off of random shit. On the other hand, everything Genji does is without risk. He has the best mobility in the game, easy burst damage combo and his defense have no counter play cuz his moves are cancelable into on another.

This just made me realize how bad an overwatch version of TYM would be

 

[CrimsonShadow]

No he isn't lol. Tracer is a high risk high reward hero that takes a lot of time to master how to carry your weight with her without dying off of random shit. On the other hand, everything Genji does is without risk. He has the best mobility in the game, easy burst damage combo and his defense have no counter play cuz his moves are cancelable into on another.

This is supremely untrue.

As a 200 HP squishy hero with no heal who is forced to use his ult at close range (and does his best damage at close range), but can be instantly deleted by CC, Genji is by definition a high risk/high reward hero.

If yoy honestly think this you must be playing in Silver or Gold

 

[God Confirm]

You can backdash that you on labbing son of a gun.
He has to dash forward. On that note he becomes neutral. So you can contest him or backdash.
#KnowYourOptions.

He can full punish that with grapple. The risk reward is definitely against you even if you do have an option