Subzero General Discussion Thread

[RM Ree]

I appreciate the honesty.

I am unsure why any players of the currently perceived better characters would be downplaying. The community will find out sooner or later. LOL.

Imagine making posts complaining about a character in a game just over a week old. LOL.

 

[Lum@na]

Sub has an easy game plan so you can spend your brain power trying to optimize usage of wakeups, flawless block, and the other components of the game. In a month, sub will be considered average just like skarlet will... People will figure out that if they ever guess the high correct, Subbie is free, which means while there are mind games to let the 50/50 work, blocking low vs sub as default is freelo. Because of the lack of damage in SZs kit, they only need to guess right a third of the time to even out the damage and if they just guess right more, you lose.

SZ will be a flash in the pan and Reo's S tier rating will disappear. I think he is fine as is but the overhype is ridic.

 

[Samsara]

LBSH playing Dead of Winter is for maniacs who want to go hurr durr 50/50s. I hate it and I'm never touching that variation.

Don't you dare nerf my variation. It needs buffs for better zoning

People assume we have to like Sub because hes good. I think he's garbage and I only play him cause I like his outfits and gear and stuff.

NRS is gonna nerf him next patch. Congrats. Happens every game.

He is a flowchart mix machine and is boring as hell in 11. We lost ice clone for what?

What?

Braindead high low mixups?

I want defensive sub back call me a whiner. Skarlet main btw dont @ me.

 

[M2Dave]

Imagine making posts complaining about a character in a game just over a week old. LOL.

Imagine downplaying a character with a 50/50 mix up in this game.

Besides, the game may be a week old for you but not for some other players.

 

[HAMMER]

Which of his tournament variants is the best? I might start maining this dude instead of Scorpion. They're both sweet in this game to me. I've never felt this way about these two characters since MK: Trilogy!

Though; Scorpion was cool in MK9.

Tell me I did that tournament variant thing right.

One variant has Ice Ball with option to enhance. And its only other special move is the shoulder charge.

The second variant has that ice projectile that is a mid, the ice shingles that step back when he throws them... and air axe, and of course slide/freeze ball.

 

[Shirakani]

Which of his tournament variants is the best?

The one WITHOUT shoulder rush/charge.

 

[sgZick]

Which of his tournament variants is the best?

It's a choice between pest and cholera to me. The Ex-Ice Ball is arguably the best projectile attack in the game (mid and eating opponents projectiles), but as trade off you have to replace slide with a worse slide (longer start-up, can't low profile for a bit more damage). The added specials in the other variation are situational and not very strong, but you keep the slide. Ex-Ice Ball + any other special than cold shoulder would be perfect...

 

[RM Ree]

Dealing with Erron Black f4 in neutral/ oki

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1124040963326976003

 

[HAMMER]

It's a choice between pest and cholera to me. The Ex-Ice Ball is arguably the best projectile attack in the game (mid and eating opponents projectiles), but as trade off you have to replace slide with a worse slide (longer start-up, can't low profile for a bit more damage). The added specials in the other variation are situational and not very strong, but you keep the slide. Ex-Ice Ball + any other special than cold shoulder would be perfect...

Sounds like Ex Ice-Ball and the normal Slide with the mid-hitting and damaging Ice Sheet would be cool huh? Too bad by NRS!! I like Sub-Zero's feel in this game, I think I'mma stick with him over Scorpion. I'm a tier whore so I need to use someone rated in the top 75%.

 

[Lokheit]

Well, I found a use for S3!!! Yaaaayyy!!

Buuuuut... It only works for custom variations...

Basically I managed to squeeze more damage into Ex Rising Ice Midscreen and corner combos from OH by using S3 instead of B2 or 21 in the juggles before the iceball.

I still don't have have any real use for 33 or S4 though.

 

[Lokheit]

It's a choice between pest and cholera to me. The Ex-Ice Ball is arguably the best projectile attack in the game (mid and eating opponents projectiles), but as trade off you have to replace slide with a worse slide (longer start-up, can't low profile for a bit more damage). The added specials in the other variation are situational and not very strong, but you keep the slide. Ex-Ice Ball + any other special than cold shoulder would be perfect...

Fun thing is, technically shoulder doesn't even give you more damage as SZ corner combos rely on the B32Slide juggle and you lose that with the shoulder.

 

[RM Ree]

Fun thing is, technically shoulder doesn't even give you more damage as SZ corner combos rely on the B32Slide juggle and you lose that with the shoulder.

My personal favorite thing about kold shoulder is the distance it forces when ending a combo, especially in the corner.

Also, didn’t someone find a more damaging corner combo with freeze > jik > s4 > s2 > s2 or something?

 

[Lokheit]

My personal favorite thing about kold shoulder is the distance it forces when ending a combo, especially in the corner.

Also, didn’t someone find a more damaging corner combo with freeze > jik > s4 > s2 > s2 or something?

Thanks for pointing that out, I'm currently testing and it's true, that path deals to a bigger chunk of damage (and finally a real use for s4 yay!).

Edit: I screwed up the first test lol, so far the B32Slide path leads to more damage (taking into account that you start with a JI2 as the other path starts with a jump too). Can you point me where the JIK, 4 path combos are posted?

Cold shoulder still crap though even if corner damage isn't neutered by it xD

 

[Sazbak]

I don't know about others but I'm getting Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from pressing 1 4 in a combo, it feels so unnatural even though they line up horizontally. Sometimes I end up dropping the combo after the 1 postfreeze.

 

[RM Ree]

Is it known that Thin Ice can cancel the recovery on his jump attacks into polar axe on whiff?

 

[Versa]

Can some one please send me a sub zero discord invite. Thank you guys.

 

[Lokheit]

Is it known that Thin Ice can cancel the recovery on his jump attacks into polar axe on whiff?

This was the case in past games too. I'm surprised not a lot of people know it though. @Braindead was mopping me once in MKX and still he was surprised I could cancel whiffed air attacks into Air Hammer. All characters with air attacks can do it.

 

[Braindead]

Not exactly useful but gonna leave this here; meaty f2 can link into raw ice ball

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1124096034286788608

I tried it in practice mode and the window is too tight though

 

[Lokheit]

Not exactly useful but gonna leave this here; meaty f2 can link into raw ice ball

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1124096034286788608

I tried it in practice mode and the window is too tight though

What do you need to do? Just stay as close as possible on wakeup? The video doesn't show much of it.

I remember MKX sub could do the same with the second hit of B33 against males midscreen.

 

[LiangHuBBB]

sub srsly needs his ice clone back

 

[Braindead]

Yeah canceling air moves after air normals on whiff has been a thing in MKX and Inj2 and still a thing in MK11 lol

 

[RM Ree]

Ok fine well... Did you know if you hold 4 after a brutality he makes a fuckin bear??? Huh?

Can’t nerf that.

 

[DragonofDadashov24]

sub srsly needs his ice clone back

So that he controls both offense and defense? Nobody would play this game.

 

[Braindead]

What do you need to do? Just stay as close as possible on wakeup? The video doesn't show much of it.

I remember MKX sub could do the same with the second hit of B33 against males midscreen.

Needs to be a meaty f2. So hit them as soon as they start getting off the ground

 

[ShadyHeart]

I haven't seen anyone really say much about Arctic Trap. It looks like it has potential in the corner for guaranteed pressure. You can be like +8 if you end a combo short or around +3 for a bit more damage. If the opponent rolls behind you, you get a punish for over 300 damage meterless. Wake ups cant be used since they'll get frozen. Delayed wakeup will probably just make it worse.

Question is, what to do with the plus frames? You could use rising ice to be able to combo off the overhead which would give an inescapable 50/50 vortex, but that's pretty unsafe.

Edit: You can get like +18 with ok damage meterless.