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Discussion in 'Street Fighter' started by Rickyraws, Feb 16, 2016.
Nemo’s G looks crisp af already and makes me wanna pick him up.
I'm picking up the game, so far I like Ibuki (and apparently she's really good) can anyone direct me toward a good resource or give a basic breakdown?
Need to check him out tonight.
There's tons of guides on YouTube, but if you want to know what she's capable of look into footage of fujimura,xian,etc. with her, she's so awesome. Now my opinion, she's really really good, really really fun, but I'll be honest and admit she's too hard for me to use, but I'm low tier player so you might find her easier to use.
There being tons of guides on youtube is the exact problem. Most of them are usually bad. I don't know the credible names in the Streetfighter community for those, and honestly, I'm not a fan of video guides to begin with. Written is a much better form.
What's hard about her? I actually just went and looked up Fujimura, and the gameplan I saw seemed simple enough. I don't know how hard those combos really are, though, and I'm still struggling with some SF basics and lack of in game frame data.
The game does have in game frame data, no idea what you mean about that. As for the hard part about her, where do I begin? Lol. Something might look simple but it turns out harder than it looks, her combos are hard, her vtrigger setups are hard, her cross ups were really hard for me to learn, there's a lot of stuff about her that's hard, but again, it might just be me, you're most likely a higher skilled player than me so to you she might be just right. Don't know if @EntropicByDesign wants to advice you on this since he's really good at explaining stuff and much more knowledgeable than me.
Yeah, I was looking for it written somewhere, but the frame data is an option I turn on and is shown in a box in practice mode, apparently, ? Or am I still missing it.
Edit: And I don't consider myself more than average for this site. I usually go for low execution characters, but I could adequately play Brood Mother in MK X, so that's not an exclusive thing.
I really wish SF was out on xbx
Sagat seems to play similarly to the Street Fighter IV series. Search Bonchan on YouTube. He is already doing well.
At this moment, G is arguably the more interesting character. He has a mid range projectile, a command throw that juggles, two types of dash punches, and a flame kick. All of these special move may have different properties and juggle potential depending on the level of the "Presidentiality Meter". V-Trigger 1 is currently considered superior to V-Trigger 2. Albeit three bars, V-Trigger 1 gives G the ability to cancel special moves into each other, which results in some damaging combos. The V-Skill also turns into a huge, multi-hitting fireball. Best of all, the "Presidentiality Meter" is at its maximum for the entire duration of the V-Trigger, regardless of whether G gets knocked down or not. G has no three frame normal attacks and no EX reversal attacks so his defense is lacking. V-Trigger 2 gives access to an armored command throw, but this move is very slow.
Download the FAT app, frame assistant tool. It’s got detailed frame data, list properties of character’s moves, some bnbs and all the character’s stats. Along with tools like an oki calculator, frametrap calculator, punish calculator etc. Plus there’s a section called Gief’s Gym which gives you exercises from beginner to advanced to do and explains how the game works. It has my seal of approval, and check out r streetfighter too i guess
Sagat’s a fundamentally sound character where a player like Bonchan will find success especially over Nash who he should drop for good. The kind of playstyle that kills scrubs online of course but ultimately to me he doesnt havw the goods. I think VT2 has damage though and is 2 bars so it’ll prob be the default. His fireballs have impressive recovery and hurtbox, they’re better than in the last game, but relying on fireballs on dps just isnt good in the longterm. They dont do enough damage to convince me to stop taking risks and respect his neutral
Sagat could benefit from a more stable neutral by buffing his normals and his vtrigger 1, then he’ll be interesting. Make his Tiger Cannons do massice chip or even allow chipouts, that would be sick. Right now, he’ll just be ok in the longrun at high level, if you’re bonchan. G seems to be where its at which sucks because I dont have the character lul
Ibuki is "hard" as far as SFV is concerned... but not really difficult when looked at in comparison to other fighting games. What I always considered difficult on her, and I think what mostly gave her the reputation as a high(er) execution character where her bomb setups/traps/resets.. but, unless something has changed with the release of G and Sagat (I heard there was a small patch?) she doesnt use her bomb trigger any more, but VT2 instead -its a MONSTER.
I can go in to some detail on her if you want, but a very simple breakdown is:
She's good at overwhelming the opponent, but she doesnt have to play a crazy pressure game. She absolutely *can*, and staggering her st.mp/lp is a something you see a lot out of really good Ibukis. You just never know what those can lead to and its terrifying to contest them. Otherwise, she wants to do what everyone in V does, and thats control a space she/you are comfortable in, and look for the chance to go ham and eggs. If you knock someone down, make sure you know what your meaty/oki options are - that is universal in V but where Ibuki is such a bully, it goes extra for her. Ibuki *never* worries about getting in, ex kunai is a get-in-free card - but the really good Ibukis understand when to use, and obviously beating the opponent in the neutral without wasting a bar is preferable.. but she's not sitting on a lot of health, and knowing when to use this, and just as importantly, what to do after, is huge.
So yeah. The space she occupies pre-ham-and-eggs depends on who you're playing (character and player), but somewhere around Vskill, f.HK-ish range.. abuse your speed, moving in and out, and looking for the hit, whiff punish or kunai to get going. Once you get going, keep going. Dont be stingy with her vt2... a large part of it's power is that even on block it can do a lot for you, creating mix, stopping pressure and momentum from the opponent, givng you a moment to breath, etc. Learn to hit confirm well with her - I've found her very easy to confirm with, even compared to other V characters.. etc.
Resources and vids are tricky.. if part of what you're after are combos, I's just watch some Fuji play and steal what he's doing.. not just combos, but watch him use VT and what setups and such he favors, as well as what he likes to do post-KD
There is also an option in training mode to show the data as you go, you just have to get used to it. It's not a static listing like Inj/MK.
Now that i think about it, S1 Guile was a worse Sagat in a completely broken meta but you’ll deadass have people saying things like “Guile was always so gdlk man, i knew on realease how strong he was and they actualy buffed him!!1!!”
lul watch them do the revisionist history in s4 for sagat when “bonchan develops the character” aka buffs and nerfs to meta results
I think Sagat is good, fun to play and can't wait to see Bonchan show him off at CC.
G to me looks like Gohan. He has so much potential that hasn't been released yet.
... Yeah, I can totally see the likeness... >.>
Hearing great stuff about G, sagat's opinions have steadily become more positive. And what's the recovery on Sagat's fireballs? Seems he recovers pretty darn fast.
I wasn't meaning literally... I refer to his unlock potential which I even stated lol.
I know, I was just kidding around. ;P
I couldn’t play tonight since my net went down. Decided to make a video instead since I had some spare clips laying around. Make sure you tell me why I’m wack.
Looks like punk got his soul back yesterday. He should really stick to Karin.
How you gonna do Young Art like that, you piece a’ shit? You’re wack.
Eh. I only did it cause he posted him beating me once lol. Gotta let people know that sometimes the youngster gets double P’d on
I got eliminated in 9th at red bull. Keep running into du. The man is a wall I’m not ready for yet...
Red Bull had an event? Video?
Red Bull Orlando is on right now