Match-up Discussion Smoke mu chart mk9

[cR Xarakamaka]

Yeah, obviously. Like, this is basic frame data. Except, what he's saying is, you can't punish it ON REACTION. You can't just block Kitana's D1, react to the fact that you blocked it, and then do B3. You do it basically on a read where you just react to the merest hint of movement. If he does say, standing 2 instead of D1, you're fucked, because you'd be letting go of block to counterpoke.

what are you on about . THERE IS ACTIVE FRAMES ON THE D1 you have time to REACT . what arent you getting . its becomes minus ONCE the active frames are up! its not on a read omg dudes

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Jesus. Yeah if a move a is -15 on block, any move that is 15frames or below will punish it. Do you think we're all such big idiots that we don't get it? The point is, you don't do it on reaction. It's not like blocking Reptile's dash and punishing.

How do u not react to it? This isn't making since. I am still confused and not understanding what is trying to be said. I watch SF frequently and they react to things that are minus like a sweep and punish it.

 

[coolwhip]

Oh lord. I'm out of this thread.

 

[coolwhip]

How do u not react to it? This isn't making since. I am still confused and not understanding what is trying to be said. I watch SF frequently and they react to things that are minus like a sweep and punish it.

You're reacting to a move. It happens to be a D1 and that's what you've prepared for (so it's sort of a read at the same time). You see movement, you let go of block, you counterpoke, right?

BUT, if that movement happens to be something that isn't a poke (d1, d3, d4), you'll get blown up. The idea is you don't A) block a d1 B) realize: oh, I just blocked Kitana's d1, it's -15, let me punish, and C) punish. You can't react to it like that, otherwise people should literally full combo punish every Kitana d1 every time.

 

[Dizzy]

Well I could bring up sf, where I see them punish minus 3 moves with 3 frame normals (a dp is common to so this as well). If u do a d1 and it is blocked it can be punished always unless the opponent does d1 special (which only works in some situations) or if the punish is missed. D1s are six frames and can be reacted to on block since they have block stun and are negative on block. I am going to need a video to see what u guys are saying.

The biggest difference in SF is you automatically leave block on the first possible frame at all times, as there is no block button. In MK, d1 is only -13 if you let go of block button during the blockstun of the move. This means you have to commit to no longer blocking within the small amount of blockstun frames for this punish window to be posible.

In games with back to block, a "perfect timed release of block" automatically occurs, unlike MK.

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

Just tuned back into this thread. I don't even care if it's been cleared up.

@xarakamaka

Number of Perfect Legend's I've beat at EVO = 1

Number of anybody at all besides a rusty me you beat in tournament = 0

Your attack on me was completely uncalled for. You have a gigantic head for somebody that hasn't proven it where it counts, and I was trying to get you to see common sense. Seeing as you like to be so bent on "specifics", I hadn't played MK for months before that tiny tournament. And cared so little about it I broke my 3 years of character loyalty and just went Noob Saibot. Mustard's pad was also broken in that tournament, as I dropped it on the floor. He had to use a regular 360 pad in the Grand Finals. You shouldn't have brought a faulty pad with you.

If you're going to be pointlessly hostile, don't have gaping holes in your argument. You're beating the only people left that play online, and seem to have this massive ego. Utterly disappointed in your attitude about this. I was hoping to see you come out in full force with MK:X. You're a good player, but don't bring that attitude with you, for your own sake. The guys you're offending have proven time and time again that they can play, and you're not going to change their minds.

YOU BOTH STARTED Chatting to me in this forum bringing your negativity to ME read back ! and my pad broke on train over!! , massive ego yeh i do and entitled to it as can back it up tbh not bothered by anyone. and you went sektor twice then noob 3rd game. dont chat to me first with your stuff just made peace with mustard my jip aint with u guys i got pissed off so spoke cos what your bro said , ju . and thats the point, the guys im offending ryan ARE not GOOD . theyre just prooving they dont understand frame data and how it works as we speak yet in their heads theyre right! , and your going to defend them . you think theyre right lol its not how the game works ufg etc were first ones to start teaching me that and they think its different . sorry dude but im gna argue my point they dont get it. sorry dude but my debates not with you sorry if i offended

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

You're reacting to a move. It happens to be a D1 and that's what you've prepared for (so it's sort of a read at the same time). You see movement, you let go of block, you counterpoke, right?

BUT, if that movement happens to be something that isn't a poke (d1, d3, d4), you'll get blown up. The idea is you don't A) block a d1 B) realize: oh, I just blocked Kitana's d1, it's -15, let me punish, and C) punish. You can't react to it like that, otherwise people should literally full combo punish every Kitana d1 every time.

Idk man, DJT is not getting it either and he understands the poking meta definitely. Also d1s aren't always punished because d1 can be canceled into specials and humans aren't machines so mistakes happen. It isn't a read when u block and react. This still doesn't click with me.

 

[haketh]

How do u not react to it? This isn't making since. I am still confused and not understanding what is trying to be said. I watch SF frequently and they react to things that are minus like a sweep and punish it.

Yeah I'm lost on this to at this point

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

The biggest difference in SF is you automatically leave block on the first possible frame at all times, as there is no block button. In MK, d1 is only -13 if you let go of block button during the blockstun of the move. This means you have to commit to no longer blocking within the small amount of blockstun frames for this punish window to be posible.

In games with back to block, a "perfect timed release of block" automatically occurs, unlike MK.

Yeah I get that, but me and DJT punish d1s always unless we completely miss the punish or if the opponent does d1 cancel. Looks like we going to need a community discussion on this topic.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

YOU BOTH STARTED Chatting to me in this forum bringing your negativity to ME read back ! and my pad broke on train over!! , massive ego yeh i do and entitled to it as can back it up tbh not bothered by anyone. and you went sektor twice then noob 3rd game. dont chat to me first with your stuff just made peace with mustard my jip aint with u guys i got pissed off so spoke cos what your bro said , ju . and thats the point, the guys im offending ryan ARE not GOOD . theyre just prooving they dont understand frame data and how it works as we speak yet in their heads theyre right! , and your going to defend them . you think theyre right lol its not how the game works ufg etc were first ones to start teaching me that and they think its different . sorry dude but im gna argue my point they dont get it. sorry dude but my debates not with you sorry if i offended

Not guna beat around the bush, I am very offended.

No worries as you've apologised, we all say things in the heat of the moment. But you gotta be so much more careful about how you word your posts. Half the issue comes down to that, and you can really shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

because its TRASH its not how it works. @GGA Dizzy can you answer my questions please seeing as im one who brought all this up lol . coolwhip your wrong saying you cant react to seeing d1

Idk man, DJT is not getting it either and he understands the poking meta definitely. Also d1s aren't always punished because d1 can be canceled into specials and humans aren't machines so mistakes happen. It isn't a read when u block and react. This still doesn't click with me.

 

[GGA HAN]

This chart is terrible

Nobody loses to Stryker. <snip>

Incorrect, Tommy @GGA Wafflez loses to him.

 

[Phosferrax]

I WON THAT TOURNAMENT SO YOU ALL HAVE TO HOLD THAT ESPECIALLY YOU @GGA Dizzy FOR SOME REASON

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

@GGA 16 Bit this aint going down well for you guys :/ , your not making sense i want you to explain when you said d3 on block and/or on hit is so small it has no significance

 

[16 Bit]

@GGA 16 Bit this aint going down well for you guys :/ , your not making sense i want you to explain when you said d3 on block and/or on hit is so small it has no significance

I cannot explain something I did not say.

 

[Scott The Scot]

I'm glad I was here when this was still a matchup discussion.

Incorrect, Tommy @GGA Wafflez loses to him.

Oh Han, if you think this is a matchup thread now then you are wrong haha

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

go phospherrax i might be going on 31st are you?

I WON THAT TOURNAMENT SO YOU ALL HAVE TO HOLD THAT ESPECIALLY YOU @GGA Dizzy FOR SOME REASON

 

[Phosferrax]

@xarakamaka @PND_Mustard What you fools don't realise is that I am the saboteur! I broke both your pads through various means, stole the victory for that tournament and now, over a year later, the final phase of my plan has come to fruition, as you to are tearing yourselves apart when little do you know that the real master mind here is me.

 

[Dizzy]

because its TRASH its not how it works. @GGA Dizzy can you answer my questions please seeing as im one who brought all this up lol . coolwhip your wrong saying you cant react to seeing d1

I answered the questions in your post. If you still disagree with me, then that's fine by me. I dont really care if you agree with me on this, as you are basically just spamming this thread about how you have never missed counter poked anything

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

This guy is throwing out terms he doesn't understand and claiming he does the impossible.

You say you want tutorials and help from top players but guys like Dizzy have spent years trying to explain how the game works. Very few listen.

A simple example is that the block stun from a low poke is so fast no one can see that they blocked a low poke and then punish. They're doing it on read. That is why the top guys don't do it every time.

this 16bit lol its incorrect . this is non sense

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

i knew it! you got mine on the train and pushed ryan ! you shud be disqualified mr phosferrax!

@xarakamaka @PND_Mustard What you fools don't realise is that I am the saboteur! I broke both your pads through various means, stole the victory for that tournament and now, over a year later, the final phase of my plan has come to fruition, as you to are tearing yourselves apart when little do you know that the real master mind here is me.

 

[16 Bit]

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

I answered the questions in your post. If you still disagree with me, then that's fine by me. I dont really care if you agree with me on this, as you are basically just spamming this thread about how you have never missed counter poked anything

i know how it works i just wanna re cap what you think . so you think you cant react to a d1 or hit confirm react to d3s? thats what i want to know

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

really wanna chat on skype at some point because you confused not only me but mit djt and chris too . i get your saying you can mix up but you just said before you cant react to d1s block stun is too quick and your talking about cancel advantage on d1 cutter and sometimes do 21 instead of d1 to blow up there f3 . which would never work since i react to d1s im not gna f3 you when you do 21 cos i can see and react to you 21

 

[PND_Mustard]

@xarakamaka @PND_Mustard What you fools don't realise is that I am the saboteur! I broke both your pads through various means, stole the victory for that tournament and now, over a year later, the final phase of my plan has come to fruition, as you to are tearing yourselves apart when little do you know that the real master mind here is me.

you fucker