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Question - Sonya Blade Should Sonya's aerial attacks get nerfed?

Tony at Home

Tony at Home

Master
Divekick does not really reliably beat d2's because it's not like Lao's which changes the timing required to d2.

Sonya's don't divekick to punish AA's, because it's not good at that. They divekick to punish people running at her as she jumps back, and would-be tripgaurds from shallow jumps or overshot crossups- that is when a divekick is coming. In situations where you could d2 a jump in, divekick is just not super helpful there.

If Sonya is jumping back and baiting you to get divekick'ed as you run in pursuit, just run forward and block to bait. The divekick will be blocked high and you can punish.

J1 is stupid good, because it's range, but it does not devour AA's like Sub's j1 for example. Just d2 it.
 
Scott The Scot

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
IrishMantis said:
I never said its not good but all those I mentioned are better as it I said it does the job when situated right but it those lose to a lot of stuff that other chars beat like reptiles cross jump

I think the issue is speed(harder to react and causes tracking issues when crossed up and hotbox could have a bigger collision radius yeah it's possible to AA Reptile in practice before you video quote me but in a real game it's a huge risk :D

By I'm agreeing it does the job and it is no way bad just not in the same league as LKs that's all I'm saying

Maybe I'm just whack at using it and your reaction and spacing makes up with that I lack but if I Play any of those others chars I can D2 consistently for day , why is that
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I don't even bother D2'ing as an anti-crossover. I mostly try and low profile with D4 or dash/run away or depending on the MU I S1. D2 works against jump ins but for me it isn't consistent to beat a lot of crossovers or whatever reason.

I don't video quote everybody lol. I respond with videos sometimes because I think it would save some discussion of "the anti air is bad" then I say "no it's not" he says "yeah it is i got hit out it like all the time" and then I post video evidence. I just skipped the middle part, showed that you can AA with D2 from all ranges. The music is just for fun so it's not as boring lol I listen to about 4 bars, decide if I wanna download it and use it lol.

Well, I'd say Kang has the slight edge over cages because his is 7f whereas Cages is 9. But 9 isn't bad for an AA - MK9 Smokes S2 was 9f iirc and it was probably the best AA normal in that game. I wish we could see hitbox's and hurtbox's in this game because apart from that we don't have much solid information to actually decide lol

I don't have enough information to answer that last question lol. Imo Cage has a top tier anti air D2.
 
IrishMantis

IrishMantis

Most humble shit talker ever!!!
Scott The Scot said:
I don't even bother D2'ing as an anti-crossover. I mostly try and low profile with D4 or dash/run away or depending on the MU I S1. D2 works against jump ins but for me it isn't consistent to beat a lot of crossovers or whatever reason.

I don't video quote everybody lol. I respond with videos sometimes because I think it would save some discussion of "the anti air is bad" then I say "no it's not" he says "yeah it is i got hit out it like all the time" and then I post video evidence. I just skipped the middle part, showed that you can AA with D2 from all ranges. The music is just for fun so it's not as boring lol I listen to about 4 bars, decide if I wanna download it and use it lol.

Well, I'd say Kang has the slight edge over cages because his is 7f whereas Cages is 9. But 9 isn't bad for an AA - MK9 Smokes S2 was 9f iirc and it was probably the best AA normal in that game. I wish we could see hitbox's and hurtbox's in this game because apart from that we don't have much solid information to actually decide lol

I don't have enough information to answer that last question lol. Imo Cage has a top tier anti air D2.
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You're entitled to your opinion but for me to call something top tier half of the cast can't have better (calling these chars D2 better is my opinion) and the others can be used for cross ups so they already beat it by that alone

But don't get me wrong it's not shit , is just I personally wouldn't class it as one of the best, it could be execution error from my side though

My comment is not calling it shit just not as good as Kangs Xaraka plays both chars and IIRC correctly he much prefers Kangs D2 over Cages but again that's just an opinion.
I believe for having a much better Horizontal hitbox over Cages


Looked like none of us are going to change opinions so let's us leave it now and respectfully disagree with each again if the subject arises like true gentlemen

I will respectfully give you credit for using Smoke 9f to counter my argument
But have having faster frames always helps which I'm not seen he needs

P.S Plz no video quote me
:p :p :p :p :p

<3
 
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Scott The Scot

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
IrishMantis said:
You're entitled to your opinion but for me to call something top tier half of the cast can't have better (calling these chars D2 better is my opinion) and the others can be used for cross ups so they already beat it by that alone

But don't get me wrong it's not shit , is just I personally wouldn't class it as one of the best, it could be execution error from my side though

My comment is not calling it shit just not as good as Kangs Xaraka plays both chars and IIRC correctly he much prefers Kangs D2 over Cages but again that's just an opinion.

looks none of us are going to change opinions so let's us leave it now and respectfully disagree with each again if the subject arises like true gentlemen

I will respectfully give you credit for using Smoke 9f to counter my argument
But have having faster frames always helps which I'm not seen he needs

P.S Plz no video quote me
:p :p :p :p :p

<3
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For the record, I never said it was better than Liu's. I think Cage's uppercut is up there though hitbox wise and like you said, we both seem to disagree with each other and that's cool lol. Kangs probably is one of the best uppercuts in the game but I think Cage also has one of the better uppercuts in the game, I don't have trouble using it ever lol.

Here's a video showing you what I mean:

Did I get you? :DOGE <3
 
thlityoursloat

thlityoursloat

kick kick
Show me a video of you full combo punishing the dive kick with every character then I'll take it as the end all be all.
I shouldn't have to use an advancing special that doesn't full combo to punish a move that full combos and sets up some of the most disgusting offense in the game..
 
IrishMantis

IrishMantis

Most humble shit talker ever!!!
Scott The Scot said:
For the record, I never said it was better than Liu's. I think Cage's uppercut is up there though hitbox wise and like you said, we both seem to disagree with each other and that's cool lol. Kangs probably is one of the best uppercuts in the game but I think Cage also has one of the better uppercuts in the game, I don't have trouble using it ever lol.

Here's a video showing you what I mean:

Did I get you? :DOGE <3
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Yes
I'm fine with that opinion man

I'm not enraged....
I said I'm not enraged lol
IM NOT FUCKING ENRAGED YOU MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!
MY OPINION IS FUCKING RIGHT AND YOUR IS WRONG!!!

Lots of love
IrishMantis
 
errormacro7

errormacro7

Official Sonya simp
Bruno-NeoSpace said:
It reminds me when Dragon's Fire was top tier, and people was complaining about its pressure... so, a lot of Liu Kang players were saying: git gud. :p
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Dragon's Fire was considered top tier mostly due to his block infinite, that's very different from a ji1/divekick.
 
coconutshrimp

coconutshrimp

Damn vro, hadda mess with yo auntie
jmt said:
There is no fucking way nrs is gonna nerf her j1 or divekick. Go cry about it bums.
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Well gee someone seems to be a bit heated over an opinion some other people have. May I suggest having a sip of tea? It will cool you down friendo :)
 
YoloRoll1stHit

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
Let's be honest about this
Her jump 1, like many other stupid jump attacks in this game, needs to be nerfed. Jump 1 into safe oh/low, many fundamental, such skills, wow
Her dive kick is fine. Deal with it
 
Pan1cMode

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
YoloRoll1stHit said:
Let's be honest about this
Her jump 1, like many other stupid jump attacks in this game, needs to be nerfed. Jump 1 into safe oh/low, many fundamental, such skills, wow
Her dive kick is fine. Deal with it
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Her j1 is great, but it's not a free 50/50.

From a lot ranges the b3 will whiff, or the 2 of b332 will whiff meaning she doesn't get a 50/50. From the ranges where it doesn't whiff, it's like every other jump in, in the game.
 
YoloRoll1stHit

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
Pan1cMode said:
Her j1 is great, but it's not a free 50/50.

From a lot ranges the b3 will whiff, or the 2 of b332 will whiff meaning she doesn't get a 50/50. From the ranges where it doesn't whiff, it's like every other jump in, in the game.
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First it's hard to react "oh, did she just land her jump 1 at max range so her B1 is coming"
Secondly you don't need to make it jail all the time to be a 50/50. (like Slayer does with Kung Jin). You can land a jump 1 at max range, slightly walk/run forward and perform your true 50/50. People are conditioned about her jump 1 can jail 50/50 so this can work.
And finally her jump 1 is active forever. I am even scared of myself when I press jump 1 in mid air, expecting to win an air-to-air, her jump 1 seems to whiff first but a few frames later it still manages to hit my friend on the way down
 
Dedlock

Dedlock

Apprentice
I haven't visited TYM for a while and seeing this thread has just gotten me depressed.

Seriously nerfing Sonya's j1 and her sluggish dive kick that is punishable on block and whiff!

And another thread had an issue with her jumps!

Might as well just have the match handed to the opponent on a silver Platter while they're at it.
 
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cambros22

cambros22

Stand Back I'm a Doctor!!!!!!
Sonya's j1 is great but not broke. As Pan1c mode stated before, it doesnt always jail into 50/50 and most importantly, im pretty sure we make reads when we anti air in mkx. Its not like we have 1-3 frame standing normals to work with. Not punishing the dive kick is the players fault. Practice that shit like everyone else does. The whiffed dive kick into 50/50 is player fault too. In some cases the range only allows for the sonya player to do a quick d3 which leads to you eating the 50/50. If you freeze up and dont do anything, well I guess the sonya player has earned your respect.
 
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