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Should MK11 bring back the sexyness and fan service of MK9 to a degree?

Should MK11 bring back the sexyness and fan service of MK9?


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MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
I wouldn't mind if they did, if they don't, whatever. Not a big deal, if I want to see T & A I'll just log onto Tinder or use the internet for something called porn lol if NRS did, their choice but they'd be attacked by the SJW's again if they did I bet now days.:rolleyes: Those people crying about "omg objectifies women wahh" no it's a damn design, STFU and get over it. It's their game, they can do what they want. People love to bitch and moan and politicise everything now and it's sickening honestly. Those people can stay in their little safe spaces.
 
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Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Once again, the women in X were way better looking than in 9. They didn’t even look like women in 9 really, they looked like linebackers with tits. Kitana especially (with the mask) looked great in X, she was still attractive but actually looked like and was built how a deadly assassin would be.
 

Samsara

Resident Cynic
I can't believe people here would rather have characters look like cheap pin-ups than actual warriors and assassins.

Its not just innocent sexiness in MK9, it was an intentional design choice to have the female's look and behave the way they did. It was pervasive and simply won't fly today.

Scream about the SJWs all you want; they live in your head rent free, and you are on two sides of the same annoying coin.
 
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DDutchguy

Stand 4'ing airplanes out of the sky
MK9 was far too much on the fanservice in my opinion. Kitana, Jade, Sonya, Mileena, Sheeva, Sindel and Skarlet all have designs that to me get kind of ruined because of the unnecessary amount of cleavage going on for every one of those characters.

I like the MKX and Injustice 2 designs much, much more because on the one hand they don’t put nearly as much emphasis on the female characters’ breasts and general revealing of skin, and on the other because the less amount of exposed skin leaves the designers to fill it up with actually good-looking clothes. Sexiness can be much more than just giving every character massive chests and few pieces of clothing to wear.
 

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
Going backwards especially to the era of MK9 designs for women would be an awful idea. There was ZERO contrast, zero distinction between what makes the women who they are just a focus on hyper sexuality whether it fit the characters or not. Everyone with circus boobs and high heels? Homogeneous character designs are never a good thing.

They even managed to make Sheeva sexual: a character who has never ever presented herself as anything but a fearsome warrior with graceful bows for a win pose is feeling herself up in her win pose for this game lol. They even gave her pink lip stick and a more feminine face. Anyone that was a fan of Sheeva didn't pick her for her looks my baby.

Sexuality is fine, but it should be applicable to the characters involved. I expect Mileena being dressed in a more skimpy, sexual way as it has some context to it and you can rationalize and tie it to her story. Sonya and Kitana? Not at all. MKX Sonya and Kitana were beautiful and their designs were befitting of their character and lore.

Diversity and contrast is the way to go and MK9 did not provide that for the women.
Well said, I agree with most of this.

On one hand, I'll make it a point to say that I don't take the genre of fantasy too seriously in terms of clothing or equipment being practical. Little girls with huge swords, big burly dudes with mallets twice their size, it's all about the cool factor and I adore stylized nonsense.
To me, the point of the genre is to make things surreal, and things that don't exist.
Suspense of disbelief is a major part of the genre and making people with unrealistic bodies isn't new at all. The ancient Greek and Romans made idealised statues of their fictive characters just so much as you'll watch a cartoon and won't make it an issue that the characters have saucer eyes or whatever it is that they do.

One can find entire studies around the idealised bodies and their representation in art throughout the ages, among which you'll find the statue of David, Venus of Milo or the Venus of Willendorf all the same.

I know that there's been a movement that keeps parroting "that's not practical wear for combat" or "Conan should die of hypothermia" or even "omfg so sexist" and "Greek statues are gross because their genitals are showing" but I don't think that those people grasp the idea behind art, Fantasy, or pretty much anything of culture.
I'll argue that artists like Boris Vallejo or Frank Frazetta are amazing and I felt that the MK9 Character Design with its idealised bodies and completely unrealistic clothing was a call back to that style. An homage to something the character artist and myself have grown up liking, most likely.

I liked the way all those characters looked in MK9, with the possible exclusion of the Flesh Pit outfit and I definitely preferred them to the disproportionate mess that most of MKX's characters were.

On the other hand, I fully understand why some people felt some of the design take away from the otherwise gruesome and dark theme of the setting. If we want to be realistic in a game of green glowing movie stars and four armed Shokan warriors, we could have preferred ninjas to not be blue, yellow, red or purple but simply wear dark linens like they do in the original fantasy stories.

Sonya being dressed like a fetish stripper rather than actual military personnel was a huge turn-off for many. But then in MK1, she was dressed in a typical 80's Fitness-Video get-up rather than military personnel as well.

For the above reasons, though, personally, I didn't -hate- the way she looked. It's just that there was this part in the story where Cage literally calls her out in actual surprise going "you're ACTUALLY a soldier?" and that outrage was perfectly justified. Unless you realise that Cage is a bit like Deadpool, just a bit more subtly breaking the fourth wall of the game constantly acting like he's an actor acting in a video game that's about an actor acting .. that's a lot of acting. But you get the point.

Recycled physiques was simply a choice to save time and assets and I fully agree that I'd liked Kitana, Mileena and Jade to all have more distinctly different bodies, but then we all know that they were always played by the same actress so there is that for an argument.

MKX Kitana was beautiful, you say. I always found her overall concept to be very appealing especially her "Tournament" outfit because I could never get myself to like the puffy pants and the Chun Li braids. Her face didn't improve much either but that's done so that her skull fits into the grinder so it's fine.

MK9 Sheeva being sexy - I liked her design personally, she looked just like she did in MK3 and her alt costume was pretty fierce looking in my opinion. If you find that to be overly sexy I'll disagree. She's a barbaric creature like Goro is, who's always been practically naked with only his loin cloth being in the way of being nude. Sheeva wearing that 80's swimsuit was a fun idea in my opinion.

Finally, I understand that this is an American game and in America decapitation, mutilation and evisceration are fine on screen while breasts, asses, penises and vaginas are not, but I'm fairly sure that the rest of the world still thinks of sex, sexuality and even turning someone or something sexual as a very human aspect of humanity.

Personally, I hope that NRS will keep designing costumes for both those who prefer to look gritty, dark and realistic and for those who prefer the outrageous designs of MK9 and most definitely hoping for all the classic costumes to return as well, with the gear system to come.
 

Samsara

Resident Cynic
Finally, I understand that this is an American game and in America decapitation, mutilation and evisceration are fine on screen while breasts, asses, penises and vaginas are not, but I'm fairly sure that the rest of the world still thinks of sex, sexuality and even turning someone or something sexual as a very human aspect of humanity.
It's not that there's anything wrong with what you mentioned in an American game, but more to do with the fact that its unnecessary and doesn't mesh with the series. In MK9 it was pervasive and distracting and actively took away from the character designs. If that level of TnA made its way into MK11 it will NOT be taken seriously and will suffer for it.

You talk a whole damn lot but never end up saying anything worth while
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
I find SJWs annoying as fuck, but it truly isn’t an SJW thing to say that you want the design and aesthetic of characters to fit their personality. Yeah Mileena is a hoe, but Sonya isn’t, ya know? It made MK9’s story mode look like a cheap porno, the cheesy dialogue and porn star females made it hilarious. Real SJWs are like the people who say you’re fat phobic (lol) if you encourage healthy eating, Iv been called racist for saying Black Panther was a slightly above average film, or the morons taking it upon themselves to get offended on someone else’s behalf. That’s what is actually bad SJW behavior, not liking the MK9 females for being so ridiculous isn’t.
 

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
It's not that there's anything wrong with what you mentioned in an American game, but more to do with the fact that its unnecessary and doesn't mesh with the series. In MK9 it was pervasive and distracting and actively took away from the character designs. If that level of TnA made its way into MK11 it will NOT be taken seriously and will suffer for it.

You talk a whole damn lot but never end up saying anything worth while
It's an opinion, much like yours. I'll try to keep my response to you brief, so you don't feel like you have to read too much.
Note: Disagreeing does not equal being enemies.

I disagree with it taking away from the character designs, though I did prefer some of the looks in the 3D era such as Jade or Mileena.

On the topic of your argument about the game not being "taken seriously", what does that even mean?

Mortal Kombat in itself is taken as seriously as it is not because of what the characters look like but because of what it is.

Every MK so far delivered as one of the most popular games of its own era. Statistical fact.
MKX characters were often stumpy with short limbs and huge heads yet people loved it.
MK9 is considered the most liked episode by many, and it was taken very seriously despite the mishap that was the Flesh Pit outfit.

Other fighting games also have characters with revealing clothing, lingerie and even leather wear, yet those games are also "taken seriously".

Hope this was a legible amount of text for you.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
My honest opinion of the PC aspect of it. There are SJW's and/or Feminazis who will bitch about anything the personality thing is a cop out excuse they're using, they don't give a shit about Sonya or Mileena's personality, they just see tits hanging out and cry a shitstorm with their own delusions of "omg this is objectifying women" no it's not, it's just a sexy design, it's a tactic since MK is played by 90% of guys if not more to sell more. Ever hear, "sex sells?" Well, MK violence and sex sells" obviously....a proven fact. I never understood nor agree with the whole "MK 9's shared chassis makes them lack personality"? Not at all, the voice actresses did a great job, and this logic is flawed as that would mean Sheeva acts the same way as Sindel or Sonya when they clearly do not.

It's their game, they should be allowed to do whatever they want. I mean in Dead Space, I didn't hear people crying about babies being stomped. Sure, they were alien freaky babies, but still a baby. Or people go nuts over "OMG Shao Kahn, Quan-Chi, Erron Black and Cage are showing too much, shirtless" it makes them look like muscle bound bafoons....

That and I'd like to add, honestly MK isn't even that bad lol. Look at DOA, I mean shit they made a game called DOA volleyball JUST for the bouncey mechanics and I'm not talking about the ball bouncing around either. Maybe it's just me, but if I made a fighter I'd make the women look like women, look sexy yet appealing. If someone attacked me for it, I'd kindly tell them to fuck off.
 
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Darth-Nero

Come Thunder! Come Lightning!
I really didn't dig that universal mk9 women design with long legs cylinder bodys and huge jugs, It felt so cheap and kinda affect their personalities, like they all worked together in the same strip club. I hope that wont be coming back, There are way more classy approach if you want to make a female design look sexy.

Black Canary for example looked hella hot to me in injustice2 even tho her design was modest.
 

DarksydeDash

You know me as RisingShieldBro online.
MK11 is the 25th anniversary of Mortal Kombat. While female character designs we had in the past are not nearly as tolerated as they were back then, they are part of the history of the series so it should be in at least somewhat.

Also now that NRS has finally perfected their faces, this will be the best any female character in the series has ever looked.

As long as they don't go overboard with outfits (MK9) or censoring, (Injustice 2 had pixel paint all over Black Canary when she was only showing her stomach), then I see no reason to exclude it.

I thought that the designs in MKX were FANTASTIC, especially Kitana and Mileena. However, having every female with the same proportions just feels.. generic? Mileena is a playful and teasing character who constantly brags about her body, yet in MKX she has the same proportions of Cassie when she is a clone of Kitana. Just feels like they should not be afraid to make the gals have a copy and paste body type with a new face and hair.
 
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New York Pizza

Kombatant
The more sinister, the more provocative, the more I like MK.

The military doesn't teach you to rip someone in half with your legs in basic training. Sonya fights because it makes her feel good, it's how she became one of the deadliest women in the world and qualified her for the Mortal Kombat tournament. She's smug, she's deadly, she fights for good but ultimately she fights because she has a boundless drive for stimulation. Imo there's nothing more fitting with how over the top the MK violence is. If anything trying to "moralize" the MK universe with ethics and anything considered "conservative" only makes the violence more unsettling.

Liu kang, Raiden, Kitana, and a few others will be the moral anchor of the story. But as for the rest of the fighters, the violence goes hand in hand with the fulfilling their own egos, both good and bad. Sex and provocation is one of those components.
 
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Juxtapose

Master
...it's how she became one of the deadliest women in the world and qualified her for the Mortal Kombat tournament.
Just to clarify, in the original timeline Sonya tracked Kano to Shang Tsung's Island and was captured by Shang Tsung's minions. She didn't qualify, she was forced into it the Tournament as a prisoner.

In the current timeline, Jax was captured, and she was tracking him to attempt to rescue him. Once again, she didn't qualify, and was not invited to, the Shaolin Tournament.
 

New York Pizza

Kombatant
Just to clarify, in the original timeline Sonya tracked Kano to Shang Tsung's Island and was captured by Shang Tsung's minions. She didn't qualify, she was forced into it the Tournament as a prisoner.

In the current timeline, Jax was captured, and she was tracking him to attempt to rescue him. Once again, she didn't qualify, and was not invited to, the Shaolin Tournament.
In mk9 she tracks Kano, learns of the foreseen events by Raiden, and expresses her intent on fighting in the tournament. I guess she didn't have much of a choice either way not technically qualifying her yeah. Her desire to fight and kill in the tournament and her confidence that she can win is the sentiment behind her character justifying her provacativeness is more of what my point was
 

Juxtapose

Master
In mk9 she tracks Kano, learns of the foreseen events by Raiden, and expresses her intent on fighting in the tournament. I guess she didn't have much of a choice either way not technically qualifying her yeah. Her desire to fight and kill in the tournament and her confidence that she can win is the sentiment behind her character justifying her provacativeness is more of what my point was
Cool, I get what you're saying. Personally though, her primary in Mortal Kombat (2011) simply looks silly for a professional soldier, especially compared to her re-designed "Tournament" skin from Mortal Kombat XL. To each their own, of course.
 
Context is key for me, if it doesn't fit the character it feels too fan servicey for my taste.
e.g:
Mileena - she's a psycho and if all she was wearing in mk11 was her opponents entrails i would be like, that makes sense. I could totally see her wearing something "sexy" just to lure someone in so she can eat their face.
Jacqui - she strikes me as an uptight army tomboy, so no.
 

Hehateme

Apprentice
Idk the female costumes in MKX were fine. I'm assuming most folks didn't really care if they looked like MK9 and just liked the characters for the characters :p