General/Other - Shirai Ryu Shirai Ryu General Discussion Thread

[SOULWARRIOR 71K]

Anyone have any tips with the War God matchup? It just seems in their favor for me for some reason.

D1 pokes to get out of pressure (and to beat his shoulder charge) and b2/b21 kunai mixups to keep your distance.

 

[jokey77]

Anyone have any tips with the War God matchup? It just seems in their favor for me for some reason.

Try Ex-Kunai Setups, they work in EVERY match-up and make it 5-5 or better.

 

[StealthyMuffin]

WILL JOKEY FINALLY LEARN HOW TO JUMP OUT OF KUNAI SETUPS?
FIND OUT ON THE NEXT EPISODE!

 

[aieches]

WILL JOKEY FINALLY LEARN HOW TO JUMP OUT OF KUNAI SETUPS?
FIND OUT ON THE NEXT EPISODE!

the day he does

 

[SOULWARRIOR 71K]

How often are you guys using the Tri-Kunai corner restand?

If I have 3 bars, the opponent has 66% or less health, and they don't have 2 meters, I'm going for the restand into 54%. If the tri-kunai connects, it's ggs.

1:23 is the reason why I still use the restand:

 

[HomeLee1121]

1:23 is the reason why I still use the restand:

did the guy know he could block? lol your combo counter reset

 

[aieches]

did the guy know he could block? lol your combo counter reset

im mad(zin) i didnt think of your avatar first

 

[HomeLee1121]

im mad(zin) i didnt think of your avatar first

hueheueheuehue

 

[SOULWARRIOR 71K]

did the guy know he could block? lol your combo counter reset

Yeah he knows how to block and he's damn good with multiple characters as well, but that doesn't mean anything if you don't block the ex kunai (knowing to block and actually blocking are two different things). It's the ex kunai that causes the combo reset in that situation.

 

[HomeLee1121]

Yeah he knows how to block and he's damn good with multiple characters as well, but that doesn't mean anything if you don't block the ex kunai (knowing to block and actually blocking are two different things). It's the ex kunai that causes the combo reset in that situation.

i meant he could block the 44 follow up after the restand.....doesn't matter if he didn't block the kunai lol

 

[SOULWARRIOR 71K]

i meant he could block the 44 follow up after the restand.....doesn't matter if he didn't block the kunai lol

Yup. If you eat the kunai, you eat an extra 54% for your troubles lol.

We used to be able to reset it twice before NRS stealth patched it.

 

[HomeLee1121]

Yup. If you eat the kunai, you eat an extra 54% for your troubles lol.

We used to be able to reset it twice before NRS stealth patched it.

not shore if srs or not

 

[SOULWARRIOR 71K]

not shore if srs or not

100% serious. If you had three bars in the corner, you used to be able to JIP 44 ex kunai, 44 ex kunai, then full combo with the last bar. You can't do it anymore because NRS disabled the ability to use the ex kunai twice in that scenario.

Edit: I mentioned it in my old thread http://testyourmight.com/threads/takeda-has-a-tri-kunai-restand-in-the-corner.55694/page-2

 

[aieches]

100% serious. If you had three bars in the corner, you used to be able to JIP 44 ex kunai, 44 ex kunai, then full combo with the last bar. You can't do it anymore because NRS disabled the ability to use the ex kunai twice in that scenario.

i think he talking more that the 44 ex kunai 44 is more of a restand into reset and that it can be blocked rather frequently .

basically the dilemma is "is doing 44 exk 44 for reset worth the risk vs something say like 44 exk and confirm into 112 exbf2 etc"
potential higher damage with risk or slightly lower guaranteed damage with possible oki set up


thus why ive kinda stepped a bit back from using the restand as much .. sometimes its can be a godsend but usally i find that in the corner now i can settle with just using one bar combos and using another bar for exkunai for oki .

but it just depends.. story of my life.

 

[SOULWARRIOR 71K]

i think he talking more that the 44 ex kunai 44 is more of a restand into reset and that it can be blocked rather frequently .

basically the dilemma is "is doing 44 exk 44 for reset worth the risk vs something say like 44 exk and confirm into 112 exbf2 etc"
potential higher damage with risk or slightly lower guaranteed damage with possible oki set up


story of my life.

Yes, while 44 ex kunai could/can be blocked, you could have started it by doing 44 ex fist flurry b2 ex kunai and/or 33 ex kunai etc. (doing it this way was for style purposes only though).

I am still satisfied with only one restand/reset into 54%.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

Yes, while 44 ex kunai could/can be blocked, you could have started it by doing 44 ex fist flurry b2 ex kunai and/or 33 ex kunai etc. (doing it this way was for style purposes only though).

I am still satisfied with only one restand/reset into 54%.

1 restand into 54% for 3 bars is weak you can get the same amount for 2 bars

 

[SOULWARRIOR 71K]

1 restand into 54% for 3 bars is weak you can get the same amount for 2 bars

It's 16% (risk the ex kunai getting blocked) + 54% (no risk if the opponent doesn't have meter). I don't think a collective 69/70% is weak. Sure, can you just do 3 44/45% combos? Absolutely. But we're trying to style on the poor unsuspecting opponent.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

It's 16% (risk the ex kunai getting blocked) + 54% (no risk if the opponent doesn't have meter). I don't think a collective 69/70% is weak. Sure, can you just do 3 44/45% combos? Absolutely. But we're trying to style on the poor unsuspecting opponent.

ok I see what you did but you really really got lucky he didn t block the kunai setup it s not really worth it IMO

 

[SOULWARRIOR 71K]

ok I see what you did but you really really got lucky he didn t block the kunai setup it s not really worth it IMO

Definitely not something I would go to the well for often, but I use it to test my opponents' match up knowledge and/or if I'm feeling lucky. My bnb for damage is the 2 bar 51% that can be hit anywhere on screen and no blockable reset/restand required (I know we can get 52% mid-screen, but I don't like run cancels and it's a waste of effort just for 1% extra damage with the risk of dropping it because of lag).

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

Definitely not something I would go to the well for often, but I use it to test my opponents' match up knowledge and/or if I'm feeling lucky). My bnb for damage is the 2 bar 51% that can be hit anywhere on screen and no blockable reset/restand required (I know we can get 52% mid-screen, but I don't like run cancels and it's a waste of effort just for 1% extra damage with the risk of dropping it because of lag).

yeah I see it We should definitely play I ll still some of your techs

 

[Pleasa]

I have been playing around with Takeda's cancels into Tornado Kick for a bit now with success... Not sure how many of you use it or even know its there, but I figure I'd show the tech either way...

The videos show SR and Lasher, but the cancel can be done in all variations including Ronin..

This is more inline with Mileena/Scorpion's jump kick cancels which can be annoying as hell... As you all know, these can be done on hit, on block, and even on whiff (or no contact)...

 

[JLsmooth]

I have been playing around with Takeda's cancels into Tornado Kick for a bit now with success... Not sure how many of you use it or even know its there, but I figure I'd show the tech either way...

The videos show SR and Lasher, but the cancel can be done in all variations including Ronin..

This is more inline with Mileena/Scorpion's jump kick cancels which can be annoying as hell... As you all know, these can be done on hit, on block, and even on whiff (or no contact)...

i use it a lot, with the jump kick it's the more effective for me

 

[chrisofrays]

i mess around with takeda cause his combos are fun. are there any good tutorials for ronin. like maintaining pressure and bnbs, i dont realy know how to play him . also the shirai ryu teleport cancel. i see people use it for pressure, any tips on adding this to my game?

 

[hayatei]

i mess around with takeda cause his combos are fun. are there any good tutorials for ronin. like maintaining pressure and bnbs, i dont realy know how to play him . also the shirai ryu teleport cancel. i see people use it for pressure, any tips on adding this to my game?

hey man if you have any questions about ronin send me a private message, I will help you out

teleport cancels are all negative on block, but if you use them when your opponent isn't looking out for it (expecting kunai) they are decent to continue pressure. I find that I use them the most to confirm b3 teleport in a 50/50 situation, b2 teleport in the neutral and baiting armor. I can explain this more in depth if you want I guess

 

[Kripplin]

what are the best options after a opener to tele cancel - ? for example if you d4 b11 exkunai is good on block. if i tele cancel after a b2 or 112 tele cnl what do you guys like to do next?.