Scorpion Sucks, Scorpion Rules - Lets Complain Here

[Trini_Bwoi]

Whoever changed the poll options wasn't thinking clearly, since now anyone who voted before can't vote.

whoever voted before wasn't thinking clearly since that was the worst poll ever

 

[PimpUigi]

But over 100 users had voted, and now none of them may vote in this poll.
Tim, is it possible to fix that?

 

[Saint]

Once Scorp has meter, Kitana is taking a big risk throwing any sort of fan. And even when you don't have meter, she still needs to be careful not to fall into a predictable pattern. You just gotta not fall into the temptation of not jumping at her at normal jump distance, cause then you'll get blown up. You gotta have a lot of patience against Kitana. Not just with Scorp but just in general.

Wtf was that live broadcast of you on Justin.tv man haha

 

[GNG Iniquity]

I think we just need to start a Slips donation fund to stop all this naysaying regarding Scorpion's potential. If I had the money, I'd sponsor this guy, not only due to his immense skill but to end this debate once and for all!

Someone needs to record your matches at the very least, man! I heard you had some downright fantastic matches against 16's Kitana and it's a shame that those aren't available for a match totally in her favor on paper!

 

[Saint]

I think we just need to start a Slips donation fund to stop all this naysaying regarding Scorpion's potential. If I had the money, I'd sponsor this guy, not only due to his immense skill but to end this debate once and for all!

Someone needs to record your matches at the very least, man! I heard you had some downright fantastic matches against 16's Kitana and it's a shame that those aren't available for a match totally in her favor on paper!

Go check his matches against Killshot, his aa game is insane, sick, beastly, brutal, vicious, ruthless, you get the point..

At one point I think he does a d1d4 into spear on one of kung laos teleports.. just retarded

 

[Enenra]

Tom Brady says you deserve a one week ban.

 

[Saint]

Tom Brady says you deserve a one week ban.

Who me?

Is stbl15 on?

 

[Big Pampering]

scorp

Once Scorp has meter, Kitana is taking a big risk throwing any sort of fan. And even when you don't have meter, she still needs to be careful not to fall into a predictable pattern. You just gotta not fall into the temptation of not jumping at her at normal jump distance, cause then you'll get blown up. You gotta have a lot of patience against Kitana. Not just with Scorp but just in general.

And how do you plan on building meter with scorpion against kitana at fullscreen? impossible and the matchup is rediculusouly in her favour so id rather choose another character. Having that said, just becuz I say I think he should be buffed doesnt mean im losing terribly with my scorpion, I still win most matches with him, but a matchup like kitana scorpion is impossible, i would have to switch over to smoke or sum other characters that I main.

I just want scorpion to have sum safe options, imagine your scorpion with 40% life and a kitana with 15%, just because you guessed wrong you die, you die and you go to hell...

 

[Saint]

And how do you plan on building meter with scorpion against kitana at fullscreen? impossible and the matchup is rediculusouly in her favour so id rather choose another character. Having that said, just becuz I say I think he should be buffed doesnt mean im losing terribly with my scorpion, I still win most matches with him, but a matchup like kitana scorpion is impossible, i would have to switch over to smoke or sum other characters that I main.

I just want scorpion to have sum safe options, imagine your scorpion with 40% life and a kitana with 15%, just because you guessed wrong you die, you die and you go to hell...

Anyone with 40% health guessing wrong against Kitana dies.

 

[Slips]

And how do you plan on building meter with scorpion against kitana at fullscreen? impossible and the matchup is rediculusouly in her favour so id rather choose another character. Having that said, just becuz I say I think he should be buffed doesnt mean im losing terribly with my scorpion, I still win most matches with him, but a matchup like kitana scorpion is impossible, i would have to switch over to smoke or sum other characters that I main.

I just want scorpion to have sum safe options, imagine your scorpion with 40% life and a kitana with 15%, just because you guessed wrong you die, you die and you go to hell...

I beat the best Kitana in the country a few weeks ago in grand finals 6-0 with Scorpion. Sounds like you don't know how to play Scorpion right in that match up.

Seven, live broadcast? When?

Inquity, ha thanks for the props, for some reason my stuff either doesn't get recorded or vanishes. I'll see what I can do to post some vids soon tho.

 

[arydious]

Slips, i do want to watch some of your stuff. I just mess around with scorpion, and i feel he has some real good potential.

 

[Saint]

I beat the best Kitana in the country a few weeks ago in grand finals 6-0 with Scorpion. Sounds like you don't know how to play Scorpion right in that match up.

Seven, live broadcast? When?

Inquity, ha thanks for the props, for some reason my stuff either doesn't get recorded or vanishes. I'll see what I can do to post some vids soon tho.

I was assuming Slipkicks is your channel on justin.tv but I guess not, you should check it out

Also, scorp is presumably getting a faster takedown, how's this gonna affect him you think?



http://www.justin.tv/slipkicks/videos

 

[Big Pampering]

scorpion

I was assuming Slipkicks is your channel on justin.tv but I guess not, you should check it out

Also, scorp is presumably getting a faster takedown, how's this gonna affect him you think?



http://www.justin.tv/slipkicks/videos

seven, ive seen you a lot on this thread, are you maybe also a scorpion player?

The reason I think a buff is fair is because for example character like subzero who is already high tier is getting a buff and a barely mid tier like scorpion isnt supposed to get a buff in you guys opinion?

BTW Why are they nerfing Kung lao!? that character got fucked up so badly by NRS from the beginning of the game till now, this really isnt fair for Kung lao players and people were already slowly getting some good tactics against kung lao, what they really should do is either not patch the game or buff the weaker characters, no nerfs anymore(except for cyrax reset i consider that a bug).

This really feels like cheating becuz, you dont get the satisfying feeling of beating a top tier character after sum hardcore practice and testing in the lab

 

[Saint]

seven, ive seen you a lot on this thread, are you maybe also a scorpion player?

The reason I think a buff is fair is because for example character like subzero who is already high tier is getting a buff and a barely mid tier like scorpion isnt supposed to get a buff in you guys opinion?

BTW Why are they nerfing Kung lao!? that character got fucked up so badly by NRS from the beginning of the game till now, this really isnt fair for Kung lao players and people were already slowly getting some good tactics against kung lao, what they really should do is either not patch the game or buff the weaker characters, no nerfs anymore(except for cyrax reset i consider that a bug).

This really feels like cheating becuz, you dont get the satisfying feeling of beating a top tier character after sum hardcore practice and testing in the lab

I main scorpion yes.

The reason I feel he is fine is because so far I can only blame myself for my losses.

When I lose and reflect over my lost games there is always things I could've done different to change the outcome of the fight.


As for your second point, I've heard that before on the forum and it's absolutely stupid.

If you have a ten piece puzzle where one piece won't fit, do you do something about that one piece or change the other nine?


As soon as you lose a match you need to start reflecting and put in some time to get better man. Don't come running to the forums and ask for changes and buffs.

You need to change your mentality. Look at the game as if change is not an option.

 

[Big Pampering]

scorpion switch stance

Once Scorp has meter, Kitana is taking a big risk throwing any sort of fan. And even when you don't have meter, she still needs to be careful not to fall into a predictable pattern. You just gotta not fall into the temptation of not jumping at her at normal jump distance, cause then you'll get blown up. You gotta have a lot of patience against Kitana. Not just with Scorp but just in general.

Slips, ou know what ive noticed from your games, you switch stances sometimes with the L2, is there a particular reason youre doing this? I thought it didnt really have any use at all.

( BTW props to the aa punch into spear thats damn scary man)

 

[Slips]

Seven, lol those were test broadcasts yes. I just deleted them since they were nothing. Me, a famous Guilty Gear player who's a friend of mine, and 16 Bit (top placing Kitana at Evo) are thinking about putting together a podcast. Not sure if we can pull it off yet but if we can I'll let you all know.

"Less frames on take down" could mean anything. If that means its faster, that means it'll be a more reliable wake-up attack as there would be less frames of vulnerability after the initial 8 are used up. If it means its less punishable, and thereby meaning unpunishable...that is all he needs.

PerfectMindGame, I too think Kung Lao is getting the shaft. Just because he's top tier doesn't mean he's broken. Making the spin more punishable...ok. But nerfing the low hat? What else will he have? Lame.

As far as the stance change thing, when your playing irl people jump based on first movement to try to avoid hellfire. I use the stance change to get them to jump and try and spear them on the way down. Gotta be careful with characters that have good mobility in the air tho...if they bait your spear and you whiff, your dead.

Thats one reason why better recovery on spear needs to be in. Kitana can square wave to the other side of the screen to avoid the aa spear, run up and do f+2,1. Its almost silly.

 

[Saint]

Seven, lol those were test broadcasts yes. I just deleted them since they were nothing. Me, a famous Guilty Gear player who's a friend of mine, and 16 Bit (top placing Kitana at Evo) are thinking about putting together a podcast. Not sure if we can pull it off yet but if we can I'll let you all know.

"Less frames on take down" could mean anything. If that means its faster, that means it'll be a more reliable wake-up attack as there would be less frames of vulnerability after the initial 8 are used up. If it means its less punishable, and thereby meaning unpunishable...that is all he needs.

PerfectMindGame, I too think Kung Lao is getting the shaft. Just because he's top tier doesn't mean he's broken. Making the spin more punishable...ok. But nerfing the low hat? What else will he have? Lame.

As far as the stance change thing, when your playing irl people jump based on first movement to try to avoid hellfire. I use the stance change to get them to jump and try and spear them on the way down. Gotta be careful with characters that have good mobility in the air tho...if they bait your spear and you whiff, your dead.

Thats one reason why better recovery on spear needs to be in. Kitana can square wave to the other side of the screen to avoid the aa spear, run up and do f+2,1. Its almost silly.

That sounds really sweet man, now that you've put the idea out there you have to follow through!

Meanwhile, guest-star on Silents show and give away some of your secrets.

While we're at it, I think I'll go ahead and be your manager from now on lol

 

[GGA soonk]

Meanwhile, guest-star on Silents show and give away some of your secrets.

Secret 1: Hope 16bit doesn't block any crossovers during finals.
Secret 2: Take the next 6 rounds because Secret 1 works out.

 

[Big Pampering]

buffs

I main scorpion yes.

The reason I feel he is fine is because so far I can only blame myself for my losses.

When I lose and reflect over my lost games there is always things I could've done different to change the outcome of the fight.


As for your second point, I've heard that before on the forum and it's absolutely stupid.

If you have a ten piece puzzle where one piece won't fit, do you do something about that one piece or change the other nine?


As soon as you lose a match you need to start reflecting and put in some time to get better man. Don't come running to the forums and ask for changes and buffs.

You need to change your mentality. Look at the game as if change is not an option.

the unique thing about MK is that change IS an option. As for the puzzle example, that doesnt really quite fit because when a kung lao player gets a nerf all the practice in the lab and tactics with them might not work after the nerf. That is why I want buffs for other characters so that other characters get the possibility to do something about it. it may be easier for other players but for KL players this is a DISASTER, if the low hat and spin nerf are really going to happen, KL will be mid tier. If you nerf a character its like playing against the computer and you set it on hard instead of expert you know what I mean?

having that said I dont understand why they nerf kung lao again, saying kung lao cant have zone options because he is offensive, that is bs becuz liu kang also has great zoning options as an offensive character. I as a scorpion player dont cry about KL, but as for kitana and such, its just not a fair match and even if you win its just not enjoyable against kitana with a scorp with that much disadvantage in the matchup.

and what do u mean come runnin to the forum and ask for buffs, I just saw this thread and agreed with the idea that scorp needed minor buffs, I wasnt asking for any and I just made suggestions,


a slight faster teleport is a MUST, becuz as it is right now characters like smoke and scorpion can actually get kicked out of their wakeup teleport with low attacks for example sektors low starter, which is stupid. your opponent chose to attack and you decided to do a wakeup attack, you guessed right so you should be hitting your opponent not the other way around. I dont even really consider this a buff its more like fixing a bug

 

[Big Pampering]

Seven, lol those were test broadcasts yes. I just deleted them since they were nothing. Me, a famous Guilty Gear player who's a friend of mine, and 16 Bit (top placing Kitana at Evo) are thinking about putting together a podcast. Not sure if we can pull it off yet but if we can I'll let you all know.

"Less frames on take down" could mean anything. If that means its faster, that means it'll be a more reliable wake-up attack as there would be less frames of vulnerability after the initial 8 are used up. If it means its less punishable, and thereby meaning unpunishable...that is all he needs.

PerfectMindGame, I too think Kung Lao is getting the shaft. Just because he's top tier doesn't mean he's broken. Making the spin more punishable...ok. But nerfing the low hat? What else will he have? Lame.

As far as the stance change thing, when your playing irl people jump based on first movement to try to avoid hellfire. I use the stance change to get them to jump and try and spear them on the way down. Gotta be careful with characters that have good mobility in the air tho...if they bait your spear and you whiff, your dead.

Thats one reason why better recovery on spear needs to be in. Kitana can square wave to the other side of the screen to avoid the aa spear, run up and do f+2,1. Its almost silly.

Thnxx slips, I appreciate it man, btw where can I find more videos of you playing MK? I only saw 2 videos in dans pub or sumthin against a cyrax, but never seen any other videos of you. Also its nice to hear that scorpions lower takedown is going to be buffed, that is one more option for the wake up and just the existence of a good lower attack will make people feel threatend and make them block low so that u can overhead.

 

[Saint]

the unique thing about MK is that change IS an option. As for the puzzle example, that doesnt really quite fit because when a kung lao player gets a nerf all the practice in the lab and tactics with them might not work after the nerf. That is why I want buffs for other characters so that other characters get the possibility to do something about it. it may be easier for other players but for KL players this is a DISASTER, if the low hat and spin nerf are really going to happen, KL will be mid tier. If you nerf a character its like playing against the computer and you set it on hard instead of expert you know what I mean?

having that said I dont understand why they nerf kung lao again, saying kung lao cant have zone options because he is offensive, that is bs becuz liu kang also has great zoning options as an offensive character. I as a scorpion player dont cry about KL, but as for kitana and such, its just not a fair match and even if you win its just not enjoyable against kitana with a scorp with that much disadvantage in the matchup.

and what do u mean come runnin to the forum and ask for buffs, I just saw this thread and agreed with the idea that scorp needed minor buffs, I wasnt asking for any and I just made suggestions,


a slight faster teleport is a MUST, becuz as it is right now characters like smoke and scorpion can actually get kicked out of their wakeup teleport with low attacks for example sektors low starter, which is stupid. your opponent chose to attack and you decided to do a wakeup attack, you guessed right so you should be hitting your opponent not the other way around. I dont even really consider this a buff its more like fixing a bug

Okay dude, let me tell you straight. Your logic is out of this world. Mentally challenged. Retarded

You don't want to nerf KL so that none of his tactics change, have it ever occured to you that if you buff the entire cast their tactics might change?
Puzzle parable again.

Also, no, I don't know what you mean.

As a scorpion player you don't cry about KL getting nerfed? So what is all this talk then, was your keyboard working on its own?

You DON'T enjoy winning against Kitana as Scorpion because it is NOT a fair match? THIS IS WHERE YOU SHOULD ENJOY WINS THE MOST, when they are the most challenging.

Get a grip, go get better.

 

[Slips]

Thnxx slips, I appreciate it man, btw where can I find more videos of you playing MK? I only saw 2 videos in dans pub or sumthin against a cyrax, but never seen any other videos of you. Also its nice to hear that scorpions lower takedown is going to be buffed, that is one more option for the wake up and just the existence of a good lower attack will make people feel threatend and make them block low so that u can overhead.

There is unfortunetly very little footage of me. I'll see what I can do about that in the near future tho. Scorp getting his leg takedown safe is just what the doctor ordered for Scorp. All the other buff suggestions for TP and spear wouldn't be addressing his main weakness and why he's stuck at the middle tier. A good move by NRS.

 

[zaf]

Slips, isn't there a tourney you will be at this weekend?

Do you want the leg takedown to make his wake up game better or are there any other reasons?

 

[Slips]

I'm trying to make the FighterxShooter tourney this weekend so yea, we shall see.

The safe takedown not only helps his wake-up game but his rushdown game even moreso. Something safe to buffer off his 111 and d4 is a big deal.

 

[Big Pampering]

scorps x ray

Okay dude, let me tell you straight. Your logic is out of this world. Mentally challenged. Retarded

You don't want to nerf KL so that none of his tactics change, have it ever occured to you that if you buff the entire cast their tactics might change?
Puzzle parable again.

Also, no, I don't know what you mean.

As a scorpion player you don't cry about KL getting nerfed? So what is all this talk then, was your keyboard working on its own?

You DON'T enjoy winning against Kitana as Scorpion because it is NOT a fair match? THIS IS WHERE YOU SHOULD ENJOY WINS THE MOST, when they are the most challenging.

Get a grip, go get better.

just now i found out this weird shit about scorps xray, if in a mirror match scorp can actually spear himself out of an x ray if timed right(just when he apppears on the other screen)

Seven, I dont get you man, each post of you is negative, why are you as a scorpion getting mad about scorpion getting buffed...

and its not about getting better, its about fair play becuz the match up is rediculouz you cant disagree on that

and about the changed tactics of the cast, the changes are for the better, because they can use old tactics and find out more tactics because of the buffs..

and about the kitana match, Its like losing again and again against kitana and then winning once, that is not enjoyable. winning after first try IS enjoyable