Match-up Discussion RiBBz22's Killer Frost Matchup Chart [Updated: 10/10/13]

[ApocaLips]

We did a set on Wayne Manor great hall, a somewhat neutral stage, and then another on rooftop. It was a 6 game difference.

Out of how many matches per stage?

 

[16 Bit]

I can't remember. 20 or something. A decent amount. This was after the first normalization too.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

I can't remember. 20 or something. A decent amount. This was after the first normalization too.

jesus the stages are a huge variable

 

[RiBBz22]

I can't remember. 20 or something. A decent amount. This was after the first normalization too.

Yeah, I think this new patch will help to level that out a bit. I am optimistic about every stage change and especially the change that involves a bigger reward for armoring through and punishing an interactable. With KF that is going to be a welcome change to put it lightly.

 

[haketh]

jesus the stages are a huge variable

Which is why it was so dumb people could pick any stage they wanted or do a 50/50. Just imagine how dumb Nightmare and Lizardman would be if they could get constant access to Swamp or Cage.

 

[Inception]

So are we now saying that she has no bad matchups only even and good ones.

 

[@MylesWright_]

So are we now saying that she has no bad matchups only even and good ones.

That statement could probably be argued for most characters in this game

 

[RiBBz22]

So are we now saying that she has no bad matchups only even and good ones.

What are you talking about? I have had basically the same MU chart since the game came out.

 

[ApocaLips]

So are we now saying that she has no bad matchups only even and good ones.

We'll have to see. MMH is definitely a character to keep an eye on now and is potentially problematic for KF. Also, as the concentration of Superman and Black Adam players switch to other characters due to nerfs, they'll be able to test our current evaluations to see if we were really right. Current ratings might change despite lack of changes between KF and the opposing character simply because more people are playing other characters and can come up with new ideas for the matchup.

 

[ApocaLips]

What are you talking about? I have had basically the same MU chart since the game came out.

I think he means post patch.

Also, the MU chart should be changing. If it isn't, then that means we aren't learning anything, which is a problem.

 

[RiBBz22]

I think he means post patch.

Also, the MU chart should be changing. If it isn't, then that means we aren't learning anything, which is a problem.

I get what you are trying to say, but I don't agree that just because it doesn't change does not mean you are not learning anything. I have learned plenty in this game and my MU chart has been more or less the same in terms of advantage/disadvantage MU's. Have I re-thought MU's over time? Of course I have.

 

[RunwayMafia]

KF B3 is really good in specific situations. It's her most damaging starter... but has absolutely NO range or use as a bounce cancel lol

What are her most damaging combos off of B3?

 

[xKhaoTik]

What are her most damaging combos off of B3?

B3, j3, u3x2, 2 slide, u3, 1 iceberg is the strongest meterless one I've found. Its like 43%

B3, j3, u3, f112 mb grab, j2 2 is the strongest PRACTICAL reset I've found. 36%

B3, j3, u3x2, 2 slide, u3 dash is the strongest meterless vortex I've found. 39%

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

You bastards... interactibles were my best friend against this whore. Hopefully B12 will help me out in this MU lol.

 

[RunwayMafia]

You bastards... interactibles were my best friend against this whore. Hopefully B12 will help me out in this MU lol.

Reach for the stars, honey.

 

[RiBBz22]

You bastards... interactibles were my best friend against this whore. Hopefully B12 will help me out in this MU lol.

Yeah it will definitely stop me mashing out d2 after I see b1 come out like a scrubbbbbbbb.

 

[Konqrr]

B3, j3, u3, f112 mb grab, j2 2 is the strongest PRACTICAL reset I've found. 36%

Are you saying that you can't do the other reset... oh Mr. King of Damage? <3

B3, j3, u3, 11b2~Slide, 2~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 39% 1-meter reset
B3, j3, u3, u3, 11b2~Slide, u3 = 41% meterless reset
B2, j3, u3, f113~Slide, 2~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 41% 1-meter reset
B3, j3, u3, u3, 11b2~Slide, 2~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 43% 1-meter reset
B3, j3, u3, u3, 11b2~Slide, 22~Iceberg = 44% meterless

The one you posted first is the best one for keeping them on the same side for wall carry and damage:
B3, j3, u3, u3, 2~Slide, u3, 1~Iceberg = 43% meterless

But you should really get that 1% more bro! ^_^
B3, j3, u3, Slide, f112~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 37% 1-meter reset

And last but not least ^_^
B3, j3, u3, MB Iceberg, Trait Activation (TA), 11b2~Slide, u3 (x7), 22~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 54% 2-meter reset
B3, j3, u3, MB Iceberg, Trait Activation (TA), 11b2~Slide, u3 (x8) = 53% 1-meter reset

RunwayMafia

 

[RiBBz22]

B3, j3, u3, MB Iceberg, Trait Activation (TA), 11b2~Slide, u3 (x7), 22~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 54% 2-meter reset

Hmm that is strange my swag alarm just went off...

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

7-3 sinestro lol...6-4 maybe

 

[RunwayMafia]

RunwayMafia
Are you saying that you can't do the other reset... oh Mr. King of Damage? <3

B3, j3, u3, 11b2~Slide, 2~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 39% 1-meter reset
B3, j3, u3, u3, 11b2~Slide, u3 = 41% meterless reset
B2, j3, u3, f113~Slide, 2~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 41% 1-meter reset
B3, j3, u3, u3, 11b2~Slide, 2~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 43% 1-meter reset
B3, j3, u3, u3, 11b2~Slide, 22~Iceberg = 44% meterless

The one you posted first is the best one for keeping them on the same side for wall carry and damage:
B3, j3, u3, u3, 2~Slide, u3, 1~Iceberg = 43% meterless

But you should really get that 1% more bro! ^_^
B3, j3, u3, Slide, f112~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 37% 1-meter reset

And last but not least ^_^
B3, j3, u3, MB Iceberg, Trait Activation (TA), 11b2~Slide, u3 (x7), 22~MB Grab, NJ2~2 = 54% 2-meter reset
B3, j3, u3, MB Iceberg, Trait Activation (TA), 11b2~Slide, u3 (x8) = 53% 1-meter reset

Wait, when did I say I was King of damage? Or do you you mean Miss Khaotik?

 

[ApocaLips]

This was probably discussed before, but I'll bring it up again for emphasis - MB f3/b3 having half damage now gives everyone a reliable way to deal with interactables in the neutral, which is another major win for KF. You know, on top of the general interactable nerfs and nerfs to the characters who use them the most.

 

[Konqrr]

Wait, when did I say I was King of damage? Or do you you mean Miss Khaotik?

Khao of course!

 

[xKhaoTik]

7-3 sinestro lol...6-4 maybe

In Frost's favor...right?!

 

[xKhaoTik]

Khao of course!

2 MB grab is hard lol

 

[Konqrr]

2 MB grab is hard lol

Granted, I do it on pad easier than stick ^_^ ... also, I do it easier from P1 side which I rarely miss now.