Jupiter was doing it to me the other night :X Only from full screen, but still... I couldn't believe it.
Overhead or the downwards one? Downwards might be possible.
Yeah. It comes down to if you guess right with your iafb you get 2% chip, if you guess wrong by iafb then you eat 40%+. If you guess right with the dash cancel then you get 28% punish for regular teleport or 2% Chip on an overhead tele. If you guess wrong/miss time then again 40+% or both players continue standoff. The double dash nets you the B3 punish most frequently if he decides to OH teleport...but is also the riskiest on terms of exposing yourself.
Downward is on reaction. Fixed in OP where I said OH.... that was my bad lol
I won 2 games out of about 9 or so! lol... then he switched to raven. So that is kind of in line with my 2-8...Cyborg vs Jupiter IS unwinnable
I think the future for Cyborg will in fact be 'partial' rushdown. IE abusing his forward dash and going into either actual pressure or canceling into iafb frame traps. How much or how little rush down depends on the MU, and once he gets a life lead he can safely outzone the whole cast except in a few MUs. Playing random and baiting mistakes is how cyborg will win, but always at great risk...
I would personally play Cyborg at mid range unless I have a good lifelead. I was surprised and enlightened when I saw how difficult it is for Cyborg to zone Joker when grounded blasts are very dangerous and IAFBs trade with gunshot very heavily in Joker's favor.
What are the startup frames on gunshot again? Anything 18 frames or more will get stuffed from perfect fullscreen iafb spam. Midscreen is like 22-25
16f +5 on block. Also good when Joker has the lifelead because all you can do is duck another gunshot which I can use to just backdash.
Then yeah Joker will always get a free gunshot check after a ducked fireball. Although from full screen it will be a trade
Trading is always in Joker's favour, if we trade when you do the grounded FB then I still get a dash depending on the distance, if it's a IAFB I get 2 dashes and you need to tech roll to be at a decent distance which only aids my wallcarry game.
That's what happens when you create an overly-specialized zoner and then add a character that is supposed to counter zoning of more rounded characters and compete with them, and yes, that's kind of dumb, at lest as far as Cyborg's fate goes.
I def think he beats BA 6-4. Superman is prob 5-5 imo. WW and DS might be 5-5, everything else I would agree with. I think he's a good utility char you just better have a good alt for tournies.
True I very much considered putting WW as a 5-5 she is very easily zonable, and despite building meter her parry really does not help her get in much. I like the MU because Cyborg has more options than most to escape corner pressure via grapple, a safe wakeup and command grab. His missle/groundfire ball launching set-ups also have a chance of working if she starts to get impatient and dash in.
KF just cannot do anything outside getting lucky with a life-lead via guess vortex.
Equality of zoning and the winner of the war is whoever has the life lead.
Also are you the elusive Cyborg player on PSN Pig has told me about? Your dash in style?
