D2 after the low fireball and ignore all that nonsenseSo I just found out that when trying to D3 Liu Kang’s EX low fireball Liu’s leg lifts up so D3 whiffs...
Why not 121 KB?D2 after the low fireball and ignore all that nonsense
You can punish low fireball with a standing string, and you can punish low fireball's amplify portion with a standing string, but you can't do both at once. You have to make the read on whether or not he will do the amplified fireball.Why not 121 KB?
I'd call it a burf for making it always +5 now.Sad about discharge Nerf, but the raijin buffs are cool.
This is just me spewing theory, since I don't play Raijin, but from watching gameplay videos of vDalphanate (the only competitive Raiden main as of right now) i feel Raijin still struggles against most characters and especially against zoners. Watch the first match against Cetrion in that 2+ hours of (mostly) Raijin KL play YouTube video from vDalphanate and you'll see what i mean. He got thoroughly destroyed.Sad about discharge Nerf, but the raijin buffs are cool.
Really removed the flavor of 4 frame reversal. 6f is still great on some matchups, but you can't go straight stupid anymore on block strings.
I feel like raijin is going to be extra lame still which is exciting since he can hit confirm now off b1 for free now which is what everyone was asking for.
Raijin does struggle at overcoming zoning. But in certain MUs like Liu Kang you can overcome 3/4 of his options after F43 simply by having QC and reversal punishing for 13% each time. So I don’t think any one variation is superior or inferior at the moment. They complement each other fairly well. Raiden’s main problems are still present though, and each variation can solve it to a certain extent. Up close with buff on Raijin can end everything in -5 with push back and pay neutral very well. At far thunderwave grants access to teleport to bypass zoning and establish your own zoning.This is just me spewing theory, since I don't play Raijin, but from watching gameplay videos of vDalphanate (the only competitive Raiden main as of right now) i feel Raijin still struggles against most characters and especially against zoners. Watch the first match against Cetrion in that 2+ hours of (mostly) Raijin KL play YouTube video from vDalphanate and you'll see what i mean. He got thoroughly destroyed.
In my opinion Thunder Wave is still the superior variation overall. The teleport is just too powerful for anything Raijin has to overcome. With the teleport, Thunder Wave Raiden cannot be cornered and he can almost instantly close the distance to any opponent. Those two things alone are enough to make Thunder Wave the superior variation. He can also play mind games with far, close, in place, and Amplified teleports.
In addition, Thunder Wave has better combo potential. Storm Cell is easier to follow-up with pretty much anything for combo extension, while with Raijin you are limited to F2, F4, or dash forward into an extension. In other words, the execution is higher with Raijin which could lead to higher rate of dropping combos, which in turns leads to less damage, loss of turn, and potential punishment from the opponent. Plus, with Raijin you always have to have Quick Charge activated to be able to do bigger combos, which is yet another thing to worry about during a match.
Another downside to Raijin is that he always has to have Quick Charge active to play his best game. That means you have to find ways to activate it safely and in many cases that can result in loss opportunity for incurring damage. For example, i saw several times in vDalphanate's video above how he did B1 into Quick Charge when he could have followed-up with 2 into combo or block string for chip damage. Plus, Quick Charge expires in 15 seconds, so you have to constantly manage that thing.
On the plus side, Raijin with QC active does have access to Discharge, which is great for interrupting the gameplan of rush down characters. Also, he has a really good full screen Anti Air with Summon Lightning. Those two things are just not enough to put him over Thunder Wave though.
or the second or thirdRaiden also suffers from: why play him when other characters do what he does better? But that isn’t really a core issue that makes him bad. Just makes him not the first choice for tournaments.
Just wait a second?Tip for Scorpion: If you roll past a death spin on wake up you cannot F4 punish from behind because it hits you. So you can only punish it using a projectile. Such a balanced character NRS
TW can probably TP on reaction to V1 low shot and F4 punishI only played 2 Jokers with TW Raiden so far, they seem hesitant to pick Joker vs Raiden, this one guy after I managed against his Joker went right to Scorp in KL the other day. He was trying to zone me out but I just teleported and punished him for it.
Yep, that's one of the things I did. He used the Batman doll move where he shoots 3 shots as soon as he planted it I tped and him with the 121 KB. Jokers like a whole bag of jokes(no pun intended) the boinky thing, the gun move, cane attacks. Getting used to facing a new character is always fun yet challenging.TW can probably TP on reaction to V1 low shot and F4 punish
raijin can also just electric flight over clown princes low shots.TW can probably TP on reaction to V1 low shot and F4 punish
Yeah he can, and get the KB punish. I forgot to add that. Thanks. Though I’d say to reserve KB for getting the life lead back, and we can interrupt with DB4 projectile well enough normally. V1’s zoning really isn’t all that much compared to oursraijin can also just electric flight over clown princes low shots.
im totally not up to date though, did they change the electric flight kb? i think i quit before the first patch.Yeah he can, and get the KB punish. I forgot to add that. Thanks. Though I’d say to reserve KB for getting the life lead back, and we can interrupt with DB4 projectile well enough normally. V1’s zoning really isn’t all that much compared to ours
No they didn’t. Still need to get it at max range, but it’s somewhat useful against joker since we can get this KB consistently flying over his low shot from full screenim totally not up to date though, did they change the electric flight kb? i think i quit before the first patch.