Raiden Match-Ups Thread

[MKF30]

How are you stuffing out a 12f projectile with a projectile that starts up at 27f? The best you can manage is trade and even then it’s never in our favour. Sonya doesn’t need to play catch-up with Raiden. She out zones him easily and up close she has 50/50s. She does more damage than TW as well. The only way I see TW winning is making lots of good reads on rings and using TP to punish. But TPs can be baited and punished easily and TW will be starved of defensive bar from using far teleport for mobility.

Yeah she does more damage than most characters. But I'm not disputing that or like I said that shes a better zone, that's why i said from a far raiden can stuff out her turret drop or rings if you read them going for amp rings he had enough time to teleport and punish. I've done it. I won a match vs a Sonya player last week doing that i waited til he went for the amp rings teleported and 121 kb taking the match because of that read. Up close i would never use his projectile vs 12 ring, i never said that anyway. I'm talking full screen

And yes in tw she does have to play catch up if you get the life lead since he has better mobility...I've done this several times vs sonyas, cages and anyone else that have to chase him down. Pretty much every tw player knows what I'm talking about. Some people call it running but the technical term is turtling. His regular teleport costs nothing I dont just use his distance teleport too much unless I'm in the corner or close to. Also keep in mind I've been a zoner since the 3d era, so I know how to play keep away and zone well. I can show you sometime if youd like have xbox?

 

[Mandolore1123]

Full screen Raiden's lightning strike stuffs out Sonya's start up on ring toss and turret

You can only stuff turret because it has 30f start up and that's when you get lucky and read they are going to try it. You cannot stuff out a 12f projectile with a 27f move no matter where you are on the screen. I already said you have to make lots of good reads just to get damage in and she gets a far greater reward after baiting and punishing teleport. The risk-reward is in her favour.

And yes in tw she does have to play catch up if you get the life lead since he has better mobility...I've done this several times vs sonyas, cages and anyone else that have to chase him down

This rings true for every character in the game, the problem is that you are assuming that the life lead is something Raiden can get easily enough. You cannot zone her full screen and each character only needs one right read to get the life lead. She can react to regular teleport and start her offence easily. Meanwhile TW needs to constantly make reads on her projectile game to get in damage, all the while managing defensive bar to maintain both far teleport and breakaway. The risk-reward is again in her favour.

 

[MKF30]

The turret doesn't come out as fast as her rings though. I also play sonya so I have that experience as well her rings are the safer bet but I'd they're far and dont have an attack like Raidens lighting or a teleport to worry about she can just do them more often. But otherwise Raidens lightning from a far will work. I disagree about the risk always going in her favor I'd you make the read of sonyas pattern he can easily pubish her I've done it. Shell only punish the teleport if you just keep doing it without strategy or on a punishing chance when shes open. Yes, raiden can zone her. I'm proof lol because I've done it several times in kl. You do a few trades or hit her first with his blasts then condition them to do rings as soon as she does it you teleport and punish. It takes practice but is more than possible.

I never assumed anything and I never said he can get the life lead with ease, I said if he gets it he can make her chase him. Again, this is so.ething i have alot of experience i taking on sonyas plus being someone who happens to main both I know what I can and cant get away with. It does not apply to everyone as people like scorp, cetrion, Kollector, noob and skarlet with teleports as well as anyone who can get in fast like upgrade jacqui for example will give raiden a lot more trouble naturally than someone who does not have one. As good as Sonya is she still has to get in vs tw raiden if hes dodging her rings. I never said this was easy, you were assuming I said it was easy I never said this. Most match ups in this game are not easy for raiden.

I'd rather face sonya or cassie any day over say scorpion or jacqui. Lol

 

[Nevan_PTF]

Guys, I need halp! What can I do vs Frostbyte Frost!? x') Felt a bit overwhelmed ngl!

I tried some things, using advancing normals when she used Frost Crown, to try and get out of pressure. It worked but then she adapted and used the projectiles o F2.

The fellas playing her was pretty good tho, so it felt really oppressive. Found 2 Frost so far.

I need to take my head of out my ass and learn some TW, to at least be comfortable with it.

 

[MKF30]

@Nevan_PTF I played a Frost earlier in KL, but I used TW not Raijin. First match dude whipped my Liu Kang like he knew what I was going to do so I used TW Raiden and he had no idea what to do against him. hehe. If you teleport while they do the ice stars(forget the name of the move) it's open season on Frost because she's there a long time for you to do several punishes and if they do the amped you really have time. That's one thing I did, I conditioned the guy to get into a zoning war with me then once I baited him to do the stars I tped and punished. If you're far his lightning strike stuff out her johnny cage projectile.

Almost all Frost players I've noticed will try to zone and chip you to death with her projectiles, Raijin unfortunately is easier to zone out. TW however different story, I have found TW gives Frost players lots of trouble. I would just recommend that match up for Frost. I tend to play like 1 maybe 2 Frosts per season of KL, not many. If you can bait out her projectiles and save your 121 KB I've found this is a good tactic or use his D3 into SC, full combo or B12, SC into combo etc it'll force them to try to get close to you but I like to literally just bounce all over the place as she can't really do much unless she gets in close on you. He was trying to get in on me with her F2(I think that's the move where she lunges at you)

I will post the video later shortly of the match.

 

[Nevan_PTF]

I think TW can do better as well and I need to learn the ropes of the variation.

This guy played differently tho He used her V1, with the frost crown and had some setups where I would be stuck in place.

Ty for the input man, I'll try TW next time I face a Frost.

 

[MKF30]

I think TW can do better as well and I need to learn the ropes of the variation.

This guy played differently tho He used her V1, with the frost crown and had some setups where I would be stuck in place.

Ty for the input man, I'll try TW next time I face a Frost.

Sure dude, I forget which V he was using vs me but it wasn't the one with that silly penguin move in the air(I believe that's her third Variation) the guy I was playing had good footsies and knew what he was doing but I noticed he was weaker from a far vs Raiden TW so I stuck with that tactic.

 

[Mandolore1123]

Fun fact: Kitana’s D3 can low profile the initial hit of Discharge so that means trying to do discharge to challenge her after razors is a bad idea. We won’t be able to use discharge at point blank range, which flipping sucks

 

[Mandolore1123]

Raijin cannot discharge after DF2 against Kollector because of the threat of his S4, but we can D4 him to beat it, or probably micro duck and then discharge.

 

[Mandolore1123]

Can’t believe I forgot to post this:
Against Digital soldier Cassie, we get a guaranteed reversal discharge punish against both 111 and 111~DB3, forcing her to commit to glowkick or low shot. If we don’t have discharge just jump superman works too. Can definitely react to that

 

[Mandolore1123]

This is specifically against Mileena. All credit to @LawAbidingCitizen for this. Putting this here for ease of the Raiden mains.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1333553893696020483

 

[Mandolore1123]

Discharge punishes Sheeva's B122~dragon stance between B122 and dragon stance. However the last hit (the one causing the knockdown of AMP discharge) will whiff because NRS hates us.

 

[Mandolore1123]

 

[Mandolore1123]

If you have quick charge equipped, stand blocking F13 allows you to interrupt both regular and AMP buzzsaw with a guaranteed discharge, but you must stand block in order to interrupt the regular version.

 

[Mandolore1123]

Discharge punished AMP delia’s dance. But glow also negates AMP float

 

[Mandolore1123]

WE CAN PUNISH JOKER F212 BY BLOCKING THE LAST HIT DUCKING AND DOING MICRODASH DISCHARGE