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The real question is ... what can we do with Rider now that it's crazy plus on hit?

Rider in the corner for super pressure?
 

MadeOfMetal

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The real question is ... what can we do with Rider now that it's crazy plus on hit?

Rider in the corner for super pressure?
im excited to see if it is oki leave, can we RC after into a wake up stuff?

i hope some of this community that shares my excitement will record gameplay and show if it leaves them good in terms of oki setups
 

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im excited to see if it is oki leave, can we RC after into a wake up stuff?

i hope some of this community that shares my excitement will record gameplay and show if it leaves them good in terms of oki setups
Labbed a bit. It's obviously geared toward Ethereal and it'll definitely have applications there. Not seeing much use for it in the other variations, atm. Granted, this is first impressions following 20 minutes of random lab work.
 

TheGabStandard

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Will look into potential Rider setups soon if someone else doesn't beat me to it. First thing once I finish work is check F12 and see how it does against the roster, updating my thread if I find any changes.
 

TheGabStandard

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JerzeyReign

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Essentially from your post ZeroEffect is asking why you would use Roll instead of Low Sai in some scenarios. This is because Low Sai hits the opponent low so the opponent has to crouch block to stop it hitting. The difference is that Roll hits mid so the opponent can block roll standing.
Ah ok, well as @theGabStandard said, Low Sai forces the opponent to have to crouch block. So if you're trying to mix your opponent up, Low Sai would work better since Roll can be blocked standing AND crouching.
Roll hits medium, and low Sai hits low, it has to do with weather they have to block high or low
Tracking. Thanks. Found the reason my ball fails against top 1000 ranked players so often. So if block high stops that and the tele kick the low sai is the best option. I like that - now I have to grow the right sized scrotum to do it haha.
 

TheGabStandard

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I don't do it just because I find b12 easy to confirm and -5 is safe across the cast.
This was my initial thought so I never did it before but thought I would try it out just incase. However I might leave it out. Do you use any other OS?
 

TakeAChance

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This was my initial thought so I never did it before but thought I would try it out just incase. However I might leave it out. Do you use any other OS?
I like the 21 OS roll, but have had mixed results with it. I can't get it consistently. Ethereal allows me to do 21 ex fade and combo if hit or throw/pressure if blocked. I don't ever want to get caught with a naked 21 or miss my 21 roll on hit. I did experiment with it, and I could get the inputs and the u4 to come out on block, but couldn't iron out the ball roll to consistently come out on hit.
 

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Does anyone do the option select for B12 xx Roll? If so how are you finding it as I'm getting really inconsistent results so maybe it's my timing or inputs.

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yea the b12 seems really inconsident, half the time the roll doesnt even come out on hit.
21 os is "easier" but i havnt got the timing down fully to be confident to be throwing it out in real games yet.
heard it batted around theres a f4roll option select but never been able to get it to work
 

Nu-Skoool

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Its inconsistent because of the hit/block stun windows. Because of how this game deals with freeze frames (the extra frames that occur when a move is blocked or hits) it can mess up your OS timing. I was having an issue earlier with a particular 2 hit string OS where it would only work if both hits landed or if only the second hit landed. The work around to this is to input roll after the part of the string you're trying to OS and then cancel with up. On hit youll get the OS every time, and up will cancel it on block every time regardless of whether they blocked a certain part of the string or not.
 

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Nu-Skoool

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Yea but let's say there's a scenario where you throw out b12 and either b1 whiffs or is blocked but 2 hits. Chances are you wont be able to confirm that hit reliably. With an OS you can literally fire and forget b12 and always capitalize on any opportunity.
 

MajinBerserker

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Is there an F4 xx roll OS? That would be handy.
Yes, there is. You input the F4-Roll, then the Down (or Down Down) directional input. It's one of the directional input OSs.
I've tested it for a bit. You get F44 if the opponent blocks.
Dizzy talked about this specific OS when he was on the Avoiding the Puddle podcast with Aris. That's when I messed with it. Great OS option for her. Execution is tight, like most of the OS found. But practice and you'll have it.
 
Yes, there is. You input the F4-Roll, then the Down (or Down Down) directional input. It's one of the directional input OSs.
I've tested it for a bit. You get F44 if the opponent blocks.
Too bad F44 isn't completely safe on block unless you're in Ethereal. It's almost not even worth using at all compared to D3, run~D4, or Grab. Which sucks because I really want to like the move. Pretty sure it has an armor gap in it as well.
 
The way I OS B12 is B12 roll BB and that works and is easier.

However, does she still have the 21 OS? They must have changed it because I can no longer do 21rollu4. I saw lionheart say its 2b1d4u4 now which is basically bye felcia for me.
 
The way I OS B12 is B12 roll BB and that works and is easier.

However, does she still have the 21 OS? They must have changed it because I can no longer do 21rollu4. I saw lionheart say its 2b1d4u4 now which is basically bye felcia for me.
hmm, can you option select into other specials as well? Like 21~bd4~bf3 (21~roll~low sai)?