4RH crushes D3s, from characters with D3s that dont lower their hitbox.
The frame data listed for the RH cancel includes the dash. How else are you canceling RH if not by dashing? You're not canceling then dashing, you're canceling by dashing. Rain is +2 after dashing in, which means his following 4 is 8 frames. Still he can be beat by a lot of low pokes that are either faster or make 4 whiff.
all hyper armor is this way, if were getting into further detail lets look at ex rh vs jaxs armor. Rh is not only baitable but jump out full combo punishable, the whiff duration is terrible. Jax is fully safe, in all situations other than a crouching opponent with ex dash punch, and overhead. Someone playing rain will hardly block low, the highest damage rain can hit off a low is the 3 in b2, 3. Jax can kill you off 1 low or overhead. RH offers no more than Kabals Flash parry, and no more than sonyas cartwheel or any other ex launcher with armor in the game. Far better characters to say its the best. It is as abusable as kenshis furrys, shoulder charges, and karmas. Which are at advantage on block and he can full combo, covering the entire screen. RH leaves you in a neutral situation, if you parry, pressure, into neutral sitiuations. So until this character does well at majors, against the best, it's all hoccus poccus. And if he does, watch how fast hes downloaded. and this is coming from a guy who believes hes the best in the game and uses him 24/7.
that can't be true
I don't why would the Ice Clone work, but RH can only be canceled two ways: 1) you cancel into another special move, 2) you dash in or out.
i agree
i just played brady for 4 friggin days straight, lets leave the ice clone at noone knows <3i agree
I was always at the assumption that the cancel advantage left him at +2.... so 4RH is +2.... then you dash out... those frames are extra. Or maybe ice clone is just a big fucking "who knows the properties" and leave it at that
I'm pretty interested to know that myself, given I use Rain. I mean, if it turns out the dash "eats" the advantage then it will turn out I've been playing with a big misconception all this time.i agree
I was always at the assumption that the cancel advantage left him at +2.... so 4RH is +2.... then you dash out... those frames are extra. Or maybe ice clone is just a big fucking "who knows the properties" and leave it at that
The only way this would happen is if the rain isnt canceling the RH at the quickest possible or hes not using an advantage string like 2, 4, 43, or d4. Most clone attempts will get broken cause of proximity.
i've never had a RH cancel into dash break my clone.... only if you let the RH go.
I dont remember ever dashing into a clone while pressuring. Ill play some with you and reed soon and maybe we can test it for sure.
Sry, i messed it up. I forgot that start up of move is (Execution-1f). Thats why we can actually spin out under Raiden`s, Sub`s etc strings with KL.
You must of not read my post towards the top of this page comparing Rain's armor to Kenshi's armor. Please do since it was in response to your "Kenshi's armor is better than Rain's" comment.
Reno is right about some points but we really shouldnt try to delve into the whose armor is better arguments. Kenshis armor helps him in ways and Rains armor does things for him. Reno is absolutely correct in saying that rains armor is not to full potential yet. It is execution heavy but once you can get armored lightning it makes rain dangerous to zone. This is another one of the reasons i ordered my hitbox. On a pad armored lightning is painstakingly hard but on a hitbox it will be incredibly easy. This is part of mastering rain and once people can do it consistently it could drastically change the MU numbers against zoners like freddy, Kenshi, and Noob.
Back yourself all the way into the corner and do a forward dash. Now when you land a lighting or EXRH into lighting throw out bubble, bring it behind your head, uppercut, 43xxgeyser, 43xxgeyser= 39%. It's situational but once you start doing it you'll position yourself so that you can get it more often.
beat top player's consistently with rain before you try and talk, if it was this good he would dominate characters, he doesn't 7-3 anybody, he hardly can 6-4 a bottom tier, these top players can read rain like a book, they see purple and they blow up on reaction. Top characters don't need meter to stop rain. Rain needs meter just to go even at best. Trying getting in on kenshi with armor. Use your armored rh cancel, he has breaker, then he puts you in a frame trap with a +7 ex shoulder, now your in the corner, can't jump, he can check you for free same as a shoryukens prison. who cares if rain can do 30% avg full screen, once you do that do you expect them to fall for it again? and it's not guaranteed against projectiles such as sonya's, or jax's, or iagb, which is like +15 on the ground. Flash parry punishes any projectile worse, sonyas cartwheel can do equal damage and lead to free'er pressure. Skarlet can do both of these with 1 meter as well. armored dash has very similar uses as RH. Id rather react to pressure and parry into 48% everytime than risk full screen meter with him. Learn to react to zoning and you won't need to spend meter. Save it for bigger scarier things. I think RH is the best move in the game, I just be serious about things at the highest level, all I see about rain in forums is RH. He has so many more tools than this that are just as good. EXRH is a mine, let your opponent walk into it, once he gets hit with one he will try and avoid it, thats when the fun begins and you can play the character, don't rely on this one move. That was directed more towards everybody. Point being it's good, but other character's whole game make there's alooot better. So go ahead and try parrying into jumps and specials, and watch how top players react. They will smile to see meter gone, especially wasted.
I'd like to see it tested as well, I believe It works in the corner, the clone that is. At point blank range rain eats a clone in the corner with a 4. with sz in the corner. I fight clone with b2,3 and b2l 1+2. 3 swings behind the clone for free at a special range. SZ is very hard to pressure in general though.
You can't attack until 1 frame after the last input of the dash is read/the dash animation begins. That's also when the advantage starts. Dash longer, and it goes down.
How many frames the dash spends? I know it's a very short dash in that scenario, but I'm wondering if the dash spends at least 1 of the advantage frames.
Any movement forward would require losing advantage.
So, for instance, 4 xx Super Kick ~ dash cancel supposedly gives +2 frames of advantage: 4 has a +25 block cancel advantage and Super Kick's minimum duration is 23.
You don't need to dash, but if you do, then the advantage is lost. And I doubt someone could always get the maximum advantage.
That's what I was starting to suspect. So it is safe to say that in average you're at +1 or 0 during Rain's 4 xx RHC pressure. 1 frame has to be lost in order to dash just enough to be within range to repeat the pressure.