Nerfs. In november patch we have them, but that is not enough

Discussion in 'Injustice 2' started by Zhidoreptiloid, Nov 13, 2017.

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Who must be nerfed?

  1. Black Adam

    52 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. Supergirl

    122 vote(s)
    78.2%
  3. Firestorm

    28 vote(s)
    17.9%
  4. Superman

    32 vote(s)
    20.5%
  5. The flash

    37 vote(s)
    23.7%
  6. Brainiac

    13 vote(s)
    8.3%
  7. Catwoman

    63 vote(s)
    40.4%
  8. Dr Fate

    26 vote(s)
    16.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
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  1. AkioOf100

    AkioOf100 Noob

    ? I feel lik
    Well do you mind helping me “learn the matchup”? My PSN is AkioOf100.
     
    #101
  2. Cerbero

    Cerbero Always down for games.

    Here are Adams weaknesses for those who haven't touched the char for more than 5mins.

    Short backdash
    Slow backdash
    Poor invincibility on backdash (all above makes it hard to impossible to whiff punish advancing strings or gaps within strings)
    Slow walk speed
    No wake up attack
    D2 is decent but loses to strong air attacks
    No far reaching advancing mids
    F12 is a great whiff + combo punisher but gets low profiled, it can't just be thrown out there on the neutral. Any decent player will react and punish you.

    B12 (trait)is my mid of choice though limits combo opportunities without trait.
    D1 into anything has gaps, making his counter attack game a bit risky.

    He's not a zoner, doesn't have the best rushdown tools & he doesn't have the best defensive tools either.

    We couldn't say he is an all around archetype like SF Ryu or MK9 Lao.

    Adam is strong but definitely not OP.
     
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    Last edited: Nov 15, 2017
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  3. Cerbero

    Cerbero Always down for games.

    Thanks.
     
    #103
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  4. AkioOf100

    AkioOf100 Noob

    Only reason I think cheetah is so strong is because of her ability to get in and hit you, while making it extremely hard to hit her. I think it’s really easy to open someone up with cheetah.
     
    #104
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  5. Jugghead321

    Jugghead321 I'm not wearing hockey pads

    Up batarang + mechanical bat
     
    #105
  6. AkioOf100

    AkioOf100 Noob

    Up batarang is the answer for everything . I prefer not to play Batman. I’m a beetle main!
     
    #106
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  7. Dankster Morgan

    Dankster Morgan Don't let your memes be dreams

    Flash is also strong but not OP
     
    #107
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  8. Cerbero

    Cerbero Always down for games.

    Not saying otherwise, just make his rushdown mix ups less brain dead.
     
    #108
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  9. SaucyD0ge

    SaucyD0ge Worst european batman

    The only thing I’d ask for is making flash kick(df1) more punishable on block.
     
    #109
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  10. Cerbero

    Cerbero Always down for games.

    So anyone without a 6frames d1 is stucked in a frame trap? also 6frames gap lol you gotta be frame perfect.
     
    #110
  11. Goatlegs

    Goatlegs Noob

    Thank god. I’ve been trying to get my short stories published for years.
     
    #111
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  12. SaucyD0ge

    SaucyD0ge Worst european batman

    There is a 6 frame-ish buffer window for frame perfect normals so once you get the hang of it, it’ll be clear as day.
     
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  13. Is it confirmed 6 frames? I had thought it was an extra 2 so 6 frame punishes had a total 3 frame window of success.

    And I only assume that because of a post of a tweet
     
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  14. RNLDRGN

    RNLDRGN RONALD ROGAN

    I think Supes, Black Adam, and Super Girl are gonna be your top tiers--in that order. But IMO I would only give slight nerfs to either Supe's zoning or his pressure (not both), slightly adjust mb low lightning or mb divekick on Black Adam, and maybe make slight hitbox/pushback adjustments to Super Girl.

    Firestorm could very well be a problem, but it's too early to tell.

    Scarecrow needs to have the recovery frames on a whiffed command grab increased so you can punish his pressure with a backdash/neutral jump easier.

    Catwoman needs her blockstun adjusted so her negative moves actually punishable (much like Robin's run issue).

    That's it though. The rest seems fair to me.
     
    #114
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  15. KHTC Takgillo

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    212 has a 7f gap you can stop it consistantly with his 6f d1 once you lab it, none of his trait cancel are plus they are all negative the best one 212 trait cancel is still -1 you get a free d1 check If you have a 6f d1.
     
    #115
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  16. SaucyD0ge

    SaucyD0ge Worst european batman

    I mean, it’s tight and all.The timing is much more lenient than frame perfect(frame perfect is absolute bs for me) so I suppose that it is a 6~ frame buffer window.
     
    #116
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  17. Cerbero

    Cerbero Always down for games.

    lol auto correct is a bh
     
    #117
  18. Zhidoreptiloid

    Zhidoreptiloid Watcher from the sky

    ahahha, cheetah is OP, robin is OP (and that said black adam main lol), what wrong with you, guys?
     
    #118
  19. Second Saint

    Second Saint A man with too many names.

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    Pretty sure the normal buffer window is 3f, but it's been ages since the post explaining it, and I'd have a hard time finding it again.
     
    #119
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  20. Tweedy

    Tweedy Noob

    Dude, can you like, just play the fucking game maybe? Patch just hit lol.
     
    #120
  21. grogchugger

    grogchugger 99 percent sodium free!

    it's okay if some characters have things that are broke as long as they have weaknesses in other areas. those are my thoughts like, nerfing cheetah and flash is kinda silly.
     
    #121
  22. Zhidoreptiloid

    Zhidoreptiloid Watcher from the sky

    No
     
    #122
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  23. Wigy

    Wigy There it is...

    You have a 3/4 screen launcher that jails into f12 on block.

    Black adam is definitely just as braindead.

    Probably way more tbh. Everyone has a pocket adam.

    If we’re nerfing flash based on him being too strong, plenty of characters that should go first, if we’re nerfing cause hes braindead, again there are much worse offenders most of which are higher tier.

    If people want to design cause of his polarising ‘really weak here so really stupid here to make up for it’ i’d be annoyed if they didnt redesign cheetah.
     
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  24. Briggs8417

    Briggs8417 Salt Proprietor of TYM

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    THAAAAANK YOU. These people are wilin' the fuck out rn.
     
    #124
  25. Cerbero

    Cerbero Always down for games.

    It seems you have not touch Adam for even a minute, MBDK is only plus at certain angles, f1 is a high... good to decent players won't let you get away with it.

    DK is one of the best tools in the game, no doubt, have you noticed Dragon only dks like once or twice a match vs good players? wonder why?

    Flash is not the only char I want normalized either. All we are asking is for one of his 50/50s that lead to 70-90% corner carry combos to be more punishable on block.
    Again only one of two, letting him mix till he opens you up without consequences is brain dead.

    Also Flash is not a "really weak here" type char, he's an overall good char, very little to no weaknesses.
     
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