Discussion MKXL Buffs And Nerfs That We Need

[MrProfDrPepper]

Quick question, as a former balanced main. How exactly would having all 3 hits of telefury come out on block help him other than getting a little more chip damage. Which tbh isn't really his string suit accurate

 

[M2Dave]

Kitana DEMANDS
General:
-0 recovery frames on landing after iaf.
-Can now ex fan toss in the air.
-Throat Slice now leaves the opponent standing on hit.
-Iaf hits mid if thrown during the first 13 frames of a neutral jump only.
-Overhead float now +6 on block
-F1 is now 11f start up, down from 14f, and now uses both fans for 2 hitting hurt boxes.
-F22 is now +2 on block, up from -6.
-b2 is now 23f start up and now has a taller vertical hurtbox and now also a hurt box behind Kitana.
-b14 is now -3 on block, up from -4.

Are you trying to recreate Kabal's instant aerial gas blasts or Zod's instant aerial balls or a combination of both?

 

[New York Pizza]

Are you trying to recreate Kabal's instant aerial gas blasts or Zod's instant aerial balls or a combination of both?

I am, actually. #makezoninggreatagain

 

[M.D.]

......nerf ex shadow kick......


It's......a....freakin'.......HIGH !!!!! FFS!

 

[ABake]

As long as they fix opponents running thru Kitana's ex DP wake up, idc. Shit's trash.

 

[ismael4790]

Your A-List nerfs touch universal tools and do collateral damage (again) to fisticuffs...noooopeee!

At this point, mainly only nerfs to specific variation tools should be done, or we will send many variations to the trash bin.

 

[Fellow_Swordsman]

......nerf ex shadow kick......


It's......a....freakin'.......HIGH !!!!! FFS!

A SAFE high that is almost near impossible to punish even when ducked unless you go for a straight uppercut.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

Any news on this new patch? I havnt heard anything in a long time, I heard we where going to get some MKX news at EVO finals, but we got none.

 

[vegeta]

Tanya demands:
Undo at least a few knee jerk nerfs and raise her from the "dead". Been nerfing her since day one and she's got serious problems now. Find some kind of in between balance like they did with hellfire scorpion. He's dirty but not too dirty. Right in between vanilla pre patch and post patch.

 

[Killer Xinok]

A SAFE high that is almost near impossible to punish even when ducked unless you go for a straight uppercut.

Ex shadow kick is not hard to full combo punish if you read it, lol.
But I'd rather have ex shadow kick as a -15 mid, than a -4 high..

 

[Tweedy]

Cage's EX shadow kick is bad.

You waste a bar, it can be ducked and punished, at most you get 12% and not even guaranteed pressure.

I got your back JC community. You guys aren't just downplaying here.

 

[Fellow_Swordsman]

Cage's EX shadow kick is bad.

You waste a bar, it can be ducked and punished, at most you get 12% and not even guaranteed pressure.

I got your back JC community. You guys aren't just downplaying here.

Someone needs to stop you from posting.

 

[Tweedy]

Someone needs to stop you from posting.

"We need a way to keep top players from leaving this site"

*One of the best players who posts regularly makes a point*

"Someone needs to stop you from posting."

 

[Hara-Killer]

More thick throws in commando Kano
More Buffs for LeatherFace Butcher

KP3 reavel for god sake

 

[New York Pizza]

Tell me, @Hara-Killer , what is wrong with strong zoning? Who do you main? Cutthroat kano? I bet you like safe 50/50's into more 50/50's and safe armor and 3/4 screen normals/ advancing armor. You can't handle strong zoning? With a run mechanic? With all of the above? I'd that too hard for you? I suggest you git gud

 

[EdenianWarrior]

Tanya
Universal:
F4 is now special cancellable
D1 is -4 on block
Air split Dive now has a 15 frame start up and is -2 on block
2U3 is now -2 on block
Low drill is now fixed and pops up opponents consistently
F43 gap removed
Standing 4 is now a mid

Pyromancer :
Air fireballs are now an overhead, they do the same damage as ground fireballs, and they now have an increased hitbox.
5% added to her combos.
B31 dust jails
All fireball have 6 frames removed off of their startup.
All fireballs have 3 frames removed off recovery


Kobu Jutsu:
B12+4 now has less scaling
EX Tonfa toss now has a 2% damage increase and scales less in combo
Old damage reverted back to her combos + an additional 1%
EX Tonfa toss reverted back to pre patch ON HIT

Dragon Naginata:
Staff Stance is -10 on block
Staff stance 4 and EX staff stance 4 now jail
Staff stance 1 startup decrease
B2 hit advantage is now +10
B1 startup decreased by 5 frames
F42 is now -5 on block

Mileena
EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD what Saltface suggested.
Screw your changes.

 

[EdenianWarrior]

Tell me, @Hara-Killer , what is wrong with strong zoning? Who do you main? Cutthroat kano? I bet you like safe 50/50's into more 50/50's and safe armor and 3/4 screen normals/ advancing armor. You can't handle strong zoning? With a run mechanic? With all of the above? I'd that too hard for you? I suggest you git gud

I think what your suggesting is way too much.

 

[New York Pizza]

I think what your suggesting is way too much.

You do know mileena has virtually no recovery on landing after ia sai and a faster come down + 11f advancing mid, advancing armor, and a low projectile?

 

[New York Pizza]

I think what your suggesting is way too much.

And if you think those zoning buffs will shut down mobility like in mk9 with a RUN mechanic, plethora of advancing mids/ armor you need to get your head out of 2011-2013

 

[EdenianWarrior]

And if you think those zoning buffs will shut down mobility like in mk9 with a RUN mechanic, plethora of advancing mids/ armor you need to get your head out of 2011-2013

What I need to do? NO, what YOU need to do is stop telling me what to do and check yourself. TYM people are so fucking rude.

 

[Damaja325]

don't agree with mileena roll being slower on startup. would affect some of her punishes so startup shouldn't be changed. agree with making it unable to low profile mids tho. that's fair.

 

[omooba]

After these nerfs I think a list would still be more than viable and fisticuffs would make sense to use now.

bullshit there will never be a reason to use fisticuffs if he doesn't get buffed
that said i agree with most of these however one thing i hope nrs remembers is
1)if you buff a character make sure they still have weaknesses. we don't want someone who has stupid offense and no jaring weaknesses like kano mileena demo etc
2) if you nerf a character make sure they're still viable
through the little i read in your post i think these work in fact this might be the buff/nerf list i agree with the most
edit: now i've read through everything and this is for sure the list i agree most with other than the fact that you left out a lot of characters that need buffs

 

[Bruno-NeoSpace]

I think what your suggesting is way too much.

Tanya
Universal:
F4 is now special cancellable
D1 is -4 on block
Air split Dive now has a 15 frame start up and is -2 on block
2U3 is now -2 on block
Low drill is now fixed and pops up opponents consistently
F43 gap removed
Standing 4 is now a mid

Pyromancer :
Air fireballs are now an overhead, they do the same damage as ground fireballs, and they now have an increased hitbox.
5% added to her combos.
B31 dust jails
All fireball have 6 frames removed off of their startup.
All fireballs have 3 frames removed off recovery


Kobu Jutsu:
B12+4 now has less scaling
EX Tonfa toss now has a 2% damage increase and scales less in combo
Old damage reverted back to her combos + an additional 1%
EX Tonfa toss reverted back to pre patch ON HIT

Dragon Naginata:
Staff Stance is -10 on block
Staff stance 4 and EX staff stance 4 now jail
Staff stance 1 startup decrease
B2 hit advantage is now +10
B1 startup decreased by 5 frames
F42 is now -5 on block

LMAO

 

[EdenianWarrior]

LMAO

Ok, so what's wrong with my post? How did I ask for too much?

 

[Meep8345]

Tell me, @Hara-Killer , what is wrong with strong zoning? Who do you main? Cutthroat kano? I bet you like safe 50/50's into more 50/50's and safe armor and 3/4 screen normals/ advancing armor. You can't handle strong zoning? With a run mechanic? With all of the above? I'd that too hard for you? I suggest you git gud

Calm down you maniac just because he thinks what you're suggesting is a little crazy doesn't mean you get to be an asshole. With the buffs you suggested she would be crazy and she has decent staggers and her throws like that would make it damn near impossible to do much against her in theory. Because any second you are trying to inch forward she can run up throw with her usain bolt level run and send you full-screen