Doombawkz
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If you go for B12 and move back to avoid long range D4s you do not need to worry about the next B1 whiffing as you can just use Roll as a whiff punish. D4s seem to have quite a bit of recovery and if you anticipate the counter poke whiffing it is an easy punish. Something I have been doing for quite a while.
The thing is that they won't D4 all the time, and at that range then can also walk back but I didn't know that! Thanks for the tip, I will mess around with it tomorrow!
She is definitely viable, she just requires more work and more reads than some other characters in the roster.
GIRL THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE. Apparently if a character needs to work harder than Tanya or Lao they aren't good.
Wanted to chime in and say this is not true. If you block a D4, or rather a D3, with low negative blockstun, the opponent CAN mash out another poke that low profiles your B1 attempt, which gives them their turn back.
This is also not necessarily true. You take chip damage in this game... for everything. Nobody is gonna sit there and take repeated B12s until they die. And I'm building meter too?! They WILL do something eventually. Does that not count as "opening them up"?
We're not discounting any of that, lol. It seems more the other way around. People ignore its faults, so it's appearing way more overwhelming than it should be, honestly.
this must be your ONLINE matchup chart, offline Kitana doesnt loose to mileena, your an amazing online warrior, but you abuse the onliness too much, wont work offline, funny chart tho.This is my take on her MU's as on now. My main variation is Piercing, hence the main focus on those numbers. For Ethereal, I gave it more of the benefit of the doubt since tool wise, it doesn't seem to "lose" to anyone other than herself in Piercing, nor does it dominate anyone.
No genuine experience on Ferra/Torr and some 5-5s such as with Liu Kang, I can "see" how it can be viewed as a losing MU or like a 4.5-5.5, but with tools both characters have along with MU experience, it just feels like a hard 5-5; dead even but heavily reliant on reactionary play and momentum based.
*The best way to view it, would be to right-click the image, and select view in another tab, or something along those lines so you don't get a drastic zoom in.
*Side note: This layout more or less DOES allow me to also do the same thing for every other character since all I would need to do would be to edit the variation titles at the top, so if ANY other mains are interested in this layout as well, PM me
UFG I love you but you're going down the dark path of low tier logic, and I've been down this road before with a few other TYMers. Consider this an intervention.
I can see the argument for their side being why would you use a jumpkick when you get combos for jump punches? In which case, I get it. Not everyone can get good damage like Scorpion or Kitana off jumpkicks.
Yeah, I like how they like the argument of Mileena having to armor to condition her oponents but they don't agree that conditioning her with JK is needed.
IDK man, while I am quite fond of Cassie and her B1....string, there are some weaknesses that it has that I do not see with Mileena's.
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Mileena's B1 and F2 are her only good footsie fools. F3 and B2 as footsie tools are not a thing (B2 in Rav and Ethereal is). Also Cassie's B1 range is what makes it super good, and the fact that people have to guess between armoring or not is better than Mileena's since Cassie can actually make use of her + frames.IDK man, while I am quite fond of Cassie and her B1....string, there are some weaknesses that it has that I do not see with Mileena's.
1. Dat Gap, (obviously). Mileena can punish without armor! So badass.
2. B1 and B12 are -7 and -6 respectively, now some ppl have said that you can stagger these, and I see some credibility with that argument, but the videos that I have seen have had mixed results (eg the when Sonicfox played DJT's Tremor, he hardly used B12, except for "whiff confirmation" and it isn't like you cant poke out of it (I saw that in a vid as well). Even then, IMO it does not compare to Lao's B3, which has a faster recovery than B1 or B12 AND is -3 on block. Referring back to point 1, I would think that the gap present B124 makes the threat of a stagger difficult to enforce.
3. Her B1 is practically her only mid, whereas Milleena has B1, B2, and F3. Her other ranged normals (F2 and B2) are highs. So it isn't as if Cassie has options IMO without establishing the threat of B1. To be fair B1's range is molded by the Gods. And like you said before, Cassie can just say out range everybody.
You probably already know this stuff, I am just trying to make the argument that B124 isn't leagues better than B12, based on the case made for/against B12.
Do not know that much about those other guys, so feel free to compare to Mileena if you would like
Cassie's B124 string can be interrupted by meterless Roll between 2 and 4
im assuming when talking about Mileena's F3 as a mid you meant her F2?2. B1 and B12 are -7 and -6 respectively, now some ppl have said that you can stagger these, and I see some credibility with that argument, but the videos that I have seen have had mixed results (eg the when Sonicfox played DJT's Tremor, he hardly used B12, except for "whiff confirmation" and it isn't like you cant poke out of it (I saw that in a vid as well). Even then, IMO it does not compare to Lao's B3, which has a faster recovery than B1 or B12 AND is -3 on block. Referring back to point 1, I would think that the gap present B124 makes the threat of a stagger difficult to enforce.
3. Her B1 is practically her only mid, whereas Milleena has B1, B2, and F3. Her other ranged normals (F2 and B2) are highs. So it isn't as if Cassie has options IMO without establishing the threat of B1. To be fair B1's range is molded by the Gods. And like you said before, Cassie can just say out range everybody.
You probably already know this stuff, I am just trying to make the argument that B124 isn't leagues better than B12, based on the case made for/against B12.
Do not know that much about those other guys, so feel free to compare to Mileena if you would like