"Easier execution"? Potency and damage? Not sure what any of this means? Kabal gets about 280 for one bar, depending on his starter, and his b12- his best mid, doesn't combo properely at max distance. Noob gets around 330 for one bar iirc. Johnny gets 280 if we opt for the nutpunch, but he has combos as high as 320 if you use enders into shadow kick- also one bar.
"Jailing has limits" be specific here. Describe the limits. Cut the vague language, please.
And you think a mid fireball would be better? Statements like this make it really clear you aren't using it correctly. Johnny's fireball is undeniably better than the majority of the cast. It's an incredible tool in every regard as it is. Liu, Kabal, Noob etc do not have safe specials to cancel into, and their fireballs can be ducked in strings.
And I think comparing him to Geras/Scorp/Sonya/Erron is disingenuous. Comparing anyone else to the top tier will make your character look like shit. That's why people are eagerly waiting for NRS to tone down the top tiers. This couldn't have less to do with Johnny. It's a problem applicable to everyone outside those 5 or so characters. Johnny is right next to everyone else I've been naming in strength.
If you really want to argue he's THAT much weaker than everyone else- be specific. Tell us specifically what's messing you up in specific games. Don't say general things like: "he loses to d1 spam" or "Sub zero is a better character." I know not everyone can, but If you're able to, post a recording and show us someone hard counterplaying you. If you're doing everything right and losing, it'd be hard for anyone including me to argue against. Personally, I've been trying to get some games to record the last 2 days, but tbh my ranked games have either been vs females who I don't pick JC into, or they've been 3-0 washes not worth seeing (pcFGCmasterrace??). May just upload some sets I play with friends instead. Maybe I’ll stream.
People have posted vids showing Johnny's strength, I'd like to see some highlighting his weaknesses tbh. Imo there’re 5 charactersfar above everyone else. If we pretend those top 5 aren’t there (since nerfs will happen) and that you’re in a matchup where you’re forceballs don’t whiff crouchblock, Johnny is strong as shit.
I don't think you read my entire post. I've claimed several times that I think Johnny is the standard, I have not proclaimed him as weak. I'm highlighting the problem within this meta, while using Johnny as the example. Gotta read my whole post if you're going to come at me like that.
I am not looking for get good tips, I am not going into grave detail for a reason, I'm not trying to make it about that.
I am on the same view as many others.
Johnny really needs hitbox adjustments, KB rework, and I personally think he should have an OH presence, not saying it should be something you can combo from, but something along the lines of Skarlet for example. Jump OH is gimmick based and isn't a legit presence from my experience so far against better players.
I do think an amp'd mid projectile would be better, jailing fireball isn't great to me, the recovery doesn't make me excited either. I understand the application, I understand the point, I would rather have a mid still. I'm glad it fits into your play, It does mine at times too, I'm just not extremely high on it.
Jailing is only useful if you find a means to use it, so far, I have found that the jailing that he does have, isn't the easiest to accomplish against strong defensive players. Especially since you really just need to block low and wait for your turn. Sure, there are other things in which you can do, but my point, it's an uphill battle in the current meta.
Fista Cuff Buff would be useful in those situations but the startup/recovery on it is ass. Just ass. Throws are easily countered. I don't know. I just know it's so much harder in this meta to play with JC than some of the other characters on the roster. Which is my main point.
Like I said, JC should be the standard, not the character that needs an abundance of help. Balance. That's my issue. Just balance.
You can't ignore the top tier, which is also my point. You can say "Comparing anyone else to the top tier will make your character look like shit", but that is the current reality. You can't just pretend like that isn't what it is because it is...
Now that doesn't mean that the character actually is shit, however, they are in comparison. You can't ban characters, you have to play against them and often, again, it's a reality. So ignoring it would be the only disingenuous part of that for me.
I understand that JC has his strengths. He is a very good character outside of the meta characters right now.
Which is why my initial post stated that my rant was about the current state of the game and where Johnny Cage sits within that.
That's all.
