MK11 Johnny Cage General Discussion

[Arqwart]

I missed a couple matches of top 8, but I haven’t seen much Cage, and from what I’ve seen he’s lost. Fox put up a good effort, but Dragon had his number.

To be fair, Fox threw away the first two matches trying to make Jaded work. Who knows what would have happened had he used Outtake from the get go.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I missed a couple matches of top 8, but I haven’t seen much Cage, and from what I’ve seen he’s lost. Fox put up a good effort, but Dragon had his number.

He definitely would have won if he'd played Outtake the whole way.

 

[Rodney Quillz]

Does anyone know how to unlock the ladykiller skin for Johnny?

 

[Mikemetroid]

Does anyone know how to unlock the ladykiller skin for Johnny?

I randomly got it in Towers

Also Johnny is good and I've always told you guys/the world that he is. I don't think he's the best or top 5 but he's definitely top 10.

 

[Rodney Quillz]

I randomly got it in Towers

Also Johnny is good and I've always told you guys/the world that he is. I don't think he's the best or top 5 but he's definitely top 10.

Damn bro, the towers have just been giving me augments so I figured the skins dried up.

 

[Magnifisense313]

I hope they only nerf the third variation

 

[Deleted member 35141]

Yea lets nerf him, cause im not fucking tired of seeing geras, Jacqui and liu all day every tournament.
Let's nerf frost too screw diversity

 

[Magnifisense313]

Yea lets nerf him, cause im not fucking tired of seeing geras, Jacqui and liu all day every tournament.
Let's nerf frost too screw diversity

I'm not saying I want him nerfed but there is literally no way they won't nerf him now I just hope they only need outtake and not like his strings I have hope because they have been pretty light on the nerfs so far

 

[Arqwart]

I'm not saying I want him nerfed but there is literally no way they won't nerf him now I just hope they only need outtake and not like his strings I have hope because they have been pretty light on the nerfs so far

NRS has had a great track record so far of soft touches on nerfs (aside from Sonya losing an amp'd combo extender which still baffles me) so I have faith Outtake will just receive some specific nerfs to it as opposed to Johnny as a whole. I predict a slight increase on block frames for amp'd Rising Star (not unsafe, but slightly less safe to compensate for the pushback) and maybe a frame or two added onto recovery or startup of the forceballs. I could also see a slight nerf to Rising Star chip.

 

[Magnifisense313]

Yea I hope it's only outtake specifics and maybe some slight buff in general I can dream

 

[Frank Reed]

I can’t see them nerfing Outtake after that. The variation is a counter to certain characters but loses to others. The only characters they have really nerfed so far are the ones that were viable in every situation.

 

[Error404]

Why are you people still talking about tier lists? It's pretty obvious to anyone that watched ECT that there is a lot of strong characters in this patch. Give it more time.

 

[Wigy]

If johnny wins the whole thing im going to laugh into oblivion

Then call the AI tier whores?

 

[Parasurama]

I can’t see them nerfing Outtake after that. The variation is a counter to certain characters but loses to others. The only characters they have really nerfed so far are the ones that were viable in every situation.

Which characters do you think it beats and which ones do think it loses to?

 

[M.D.]

Sonic lost with cage to female hitbox.
Everyone's avoiding to say this.

And people still ask for nerfs.

My god how dense.

 

[Wigy]

Congrats on Sonic fox making it with Johnny. We shall see how dominant he goes in the future.

You see how ninjakilla didn't challenge mb forceballs ever. Stood blocking like he was plus 94.

Also why doesn't ninjakilla ever use low fireballs when Sonic challenges f43 every single time.

Wish people would do that for me :'(

 

[Frank Reed]

Which characters do you think it beats and which ones do think it loses to?

I think it is hard to play Outtake against anyone who neutralizes the zoning game. In particular Jade, Kano with his roll, Erron, Scorpion, Kitana and Nightwolf. I would rather play Showstopper against all of those characters except for Kitana due to the straight forceball whiff.

Any larger characters definitely struggle to get in against Outtake and a few matchups have become much better. In particular Kabal is much easier to fight, digital soldier Cassie can no longer zone you and things in general feel better against all of the female characters that the straight forceball whiffs on.

 

[Frank Reed]

Sonic lost with cage to female hitbox.
Everyone's avoiding to say this.

And people still ask for nerfs.

My god how dense.

How does this impact Outtake?

 

[Deleted member 35141]

The first set dragon won he was contesting every high and plus frame, grand finals he did not and it showed.

When is the last time Cage played a big part in someone winning a pro tournament since mk9, it was nice seeing the character.

 

[Deleted member 35141]

Cage has now beat the he'll out of 2 elder gods lol

 

[DrFolmer]

For a top 1 character there was a lot of scary close sets and character switching. Even the 7-3 matchup against Kang didnt look like the steamroll it's been depicted to be. Hmmmmm

 

[M.D.]

How does this impact Outtake?

For the 939477th time.
Forceballs are one tool.

s1 whiffs, so no dash 1 staggers are possible
no 12 autoshimmies are possible
You can't dash 124 in neutral - huge minus

s2 whiffs so no 2/244 staggers are possible.

You lose 3 very important tools out of 4.

Have you seen nightwolf, baraka and cassie do 1 staggers? All these tools are based on the same principle but Cage can't do that on 12 chars out of 28. Using any variation.

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

Anyone see Sonic cancel FB into AA on reaction vs Dragon in Grand Finals?
That reset and blowout was super hype.
Sonic used:
D'Vorah once
Jaded the most
And pocketed Showstopper and Outtake for the rest.
He beat every Liu Kang and Geras with Johnny.

 

[Frank Reed]

For the 939477th time.
Forceballs are one tool.

s1 whiffs, so no dash 1 staggers are possible
no 12 autoshimmies are possible
You can't dash 124 in neutral - huge minus

s2 whiffs so no 2/244 staggers are possible.

You lose 3 very important tools out of 4.

Have you seen nightwolf, baraka and cassie do 1 staggers? All these tools are based on the same principle but Cage can't do that on 12 chars out of 28. Using any variation.

S1 is inconsistent on crouch block against all characters. S2 is character specific and sure fix it but this isn’t a make or break tool. Sonic didn’t lose to Kitana because of whiffing S1 or S2 but because Kitana negates Outtake’s strengths.

 

[lordlosh]

Kombat is doing pretty well. Not saying anything about tiers though

Kombat is doing pretty well where? He barely touch Johnny . He is doing well thanks to his Geras, and his result are still not great.
Not a single solid Johnny Cage out there, there is obviously a reason for that.
Johnny is mid tier.
What i really like about Johnny is this character is all skill. No shortcut sh* aka broken OP s** Kang, where you need 5 years old skill to be in the mix.
And its really fun to play.

If this ** of NRS touch Johnny in any other way than buff him and fix his whiffing issue, im completely done from this game.
They still need to nerf the s**** out of character like Liu Kang, and few other character, that are just too strong.