MK11 female designs are... extremely underwhelming

[SUPAHJD]

I never understood the argument for these games but I'll say some shit since I always do that gets hated on.

First off: I think the skins on most of these characters, male and female are ugly. Skarlet is still gorgeous, bless. So is Jade. Bless. But they really dropped the ball on some of these outfits and it sucks. I'm not shocked. They played it super safe and this is honest to God, why I prefer straight up skins. Even those these "kinda" are, MKX had so much more variety with them because they could just edit...everything.

Hell, Injustice 2 had more variety than this but alright.

Secondly: As for the whole skin argument. I don't know if I fully agree. I do think some of the bodies are.... really underdeveloped. I don't know. I understand but it's like they cut definition from some of the females and I'm like "Why?". I don't need it shown. Nor do I need it. But acting like some of the females have to have such a skinny or like, not defined body is weird. Not all, for sure. Jade: Exists. It just seems a bit off to me because then the men are totally defined with their bodies.

I'm not saying I need it for a sexual purpose but if we're being realistic, it would only make sense some of them do have more tone to them

 

[Krankk]

I personally simply like my fictional characters to look and dress like fictional characters. And fictional characters in movies, comics and games are usually very, very, idealized. Not sexualized, but idealized. There is a big difference between these two and many people don't seem to grasp that. When it comes to that idealization, it looks something like this:

Male characters:

• be powerful
• be muscular
• flex those muscles, boi

Female characters:

• be sexy
• be beautiful
• show some skin

In general and on average, I think it's pretty safe to say that men want to look badass, while women want to look pretty. And if you are a man and you look at fictional characters, you want to look like the male character and you want to save the female character and ride off with her into the sunset. If you are a woman, you want to look like the female character and you want the male character to come into your life on a white horse and save you from the evil dragon. That's really how the majority of people work in a nutshell. I think we can all agree on that, right?

NRS has focused on the idealization for the longest time, but with MKX they started stepping away from it more and more. To me it looks as if they want the majority of their female characters to be the same archetype as a Ripley from Alien... or a Sarah Connor from Terminator... or a Furiosa from Mad Max.
And while the rather masculine, badass woman archetype is certainly an interesting one, which I also appreciate... I still feel like it should be reduced to 1 or at the very max 2 characters in a very limited female roster. Yet MK11 has multiple more of these fully dressed, badass warrior-women: You have Jacqui Briggs, Cassie Cage, Sonya Blade, Frost, Skarlet... and Jade is more or less also stepping into that territory with her ugly ass alternate skins. And that's simply too much.

 

[Konqrr]

 

[Hacenit]

In general and on average, I think it's pretty safe to say that men want to look badass, while women want to look pretty. And if you are a man and you look at fictional characters, you want to look like the male character and you want to save the female character and ride off with her into the sunset. If you are a woman, you want to look like the female character and you want the male character to come into your life on a white horse and save you from the evil dragon. That's really how the majority of people work in a nutshell. I think we can all agree on that, right?

I don't really think it was really like that. Sonya and Kitana were saved in the first games, but then they did more than their fair share of saving. I don't really think that sexy-beautiful-show skin trifesta of yours really means that the character has to act like a damsel. Kitana leads the rebellion on Shao Kahn in DA for example and is easily one of the most impactful characters on the storyline.
And yeah, NRS female characters tend to fall into the sassy and mean category. Off the top of my head only Supergirl isn't like that, maybe Harley. Not sure what to make of it really.

 

[Hacenit]

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Those belts on her back look like Shao Kahn's chest belts in MK9. I like it.

 

[Missanndairy]

In general and on average, I think it's pretty safe to say that men want to look badass, while women want to look pretty. And if you are a man and you look at fictional characters, you want to look like the male character and you want to save the female character and ride off with her into the sunset. If you are a woman, you want to look like the female character and you want the male character to come into your life on a white horse and save you from the evil dragon. That's really how the majority of people work in a nutshell. I think we can all agree on that, right?

Not at all. You think women play video games so they can play pretty characters and get rescued? Are you kidding me?

People of all genders like to be attractive, and they like attractive characters in their media hence why the cast of the avengers all look like supermodels. If MK is fulfilling any fantasy it's people's lust for violence.

At the end of the day it's a fantasy game, there's no reason why they can't have sexy or at least fun/cool looking alts for SOME women and SOME men, the problem is the styling of the women is very modest and dowdy, the proportions are off.

 

[Krankk]

I don't really think it was really like that. Sonya and Kitana were saved in the first games, but then they did more than their fair share of saving. I don't really think that sexy-beautiful-show skin trifesta of yours really means that the character has to act like a damsel. Kitana leads the rebellion on Shao Kahn in DA for example and is easily one of the most impactful characters on the storyline.

I know. I would have made the same points, if I went into that part of the argument further.

To me revealing outfits don't make or breaks characters. What makes or breaks characters is their personality and characterization.
In MK9 and MKX Kitana and Sonya Blade had far more revealing outfits than in MKX, but at the same time they were kinda awesome character- and personality-wise. In MKX they were covered up more, yet Kitana was still an empty shell, which had no meaning or say in the story - and Sonya Blade quickly devolved to an extremely unlikeable bitch, which pretty much ruined the character for me and many others. That's what's really disrespectful towards characters, male or female.

And yeah, NRS female characters tend to fall into the sassy and mean category. Off the top of my head only Supergirl isn't like that, maybe Harley. Not sure what to make of it really.

I agree again. And I don't think that sassy and mean are likelable character traits for females - fictional or real.

Not at all. You think women play video games so they can play pretty characters and get rescued? Are you kidding me?

You're taking some of my statements out of context.

Video games are only one medium. And fighting games are only one genre in that one medium. And Mortal Kombat is only one fighting game in that one genre of one medium. And I personally don't know a single woman, who plays Mortal Kombat... or even really cares about the genre. So I wouldn't even dream of basing my entire argument on why a handful of women plays Mortal Kombat and what they want to see from the female characters in that one game.

So my argument was about the general way of things. Like the overwhelming majority of women I know watches romances and dramas over action movies. When they watch horror, they watch it to grab and hold onto their boyfriends and husbands. The overwhelming majority of men I know don't watch romances or dramas. And when they watch horror movies, they do so to see blood and gore fly around the screen.

 

[Hacenit]

I agree again. And I don't think that sassy and mean are likelable character traits for females - fictional or real.

I don't mind sassy and mean. The issue is when every character is like this. As much as I think that Cassie is just Johhny character-wise her actually being sassy but not mean is a great improvement.
I do however think that it's the consequence of writing intro dialogue as epic clapbacks where everyone needs to be witty as hell.

 

[Missanndairy]

I know. I would have made the same points, if I went into that part of the argument further.

To me revealing outfits don't make or breaks characters. What makes or breaks characters is their personality and characterization.
In MK9 and MKX Kitana and Sonya Blade had far more revealing outfits than in MKX, but at the same time they were kinda awesome character- and personality-wise. In MKX they were covered up more, yet Kitana was still an empty shell, which had no meaning or say in the story - and Sonya Blade quickly devolved to an extremely unlikeable bitch, which pretty much ruined the character for me and many others. That's what's really disrespectful towards characters, male or female.



I agree again. And I don't think that sassy and mean are likelable character traits for females - fictional or real.




You're taking some of my statements out of context.

Video games are only one medium. And fighting games are only one genre in that one medium. And Mortal Kombat is only one fighting game in that one genre of one medium. And I personally don't know a single woman, who plays Mortal Kombat... or even really cares about the genre. So I wouldn't even dream of basing my entire argument on why a handful of women plays Mortal Kombat and what they want to see from the female characters in that one game.

So my argument was about the general way of things. Like the overwhelming majority of women I know watches romances and dramas over action movies. When they watch horror, they watch it to grab and hold onto their boyfriends and husbands. The overwhelming majority of men I know don't watch romances or dramas. And when they watch horror movies, they do so to see blood and gore fly around the screen.

Many single women watch horror films, I suggest getting out more.

 

[Krankk]

Many single women watch horror films, I suggest getting out more.

Shouldn't the single women get out more instead?

 

[Missanndairy]

Shouldn't the single women get out more instead?

no not everyone needs a partner to feel good. Stop forcing your lifestyle on others.

 

[Krankk]

no not everyone needs a partner.

And not everyone needs a guide to switch out a light bulb.

I don't get your arguments. I'm talking about society and the majority of people in general. You treat me as if I disrespect all the men, who like dramas, when I say that the majority of men doesn't watch dramas. I don't disrespect them. I just don't consider them in my arguments, because they're in the minority. And when I create a product, which I want to be successful and to sell well, I try to aim it at the biggest possible audience.

And I can guarantee you that the biggest possible audience for Mortal Kombat 11 would prefer the female characters to look better. A vocal minority crying and bitching won't change that fact.

 

[Missanndairy]

And not everyone needs a guide to switch out a light bulb.

I don't get your arguments. I'm talking about society and the majority of people in general. You treat me as if I disrespect all the men, who like dramas, when I say that the majority of men doesn't watch dramas. I don't disrespect them. I just don't consider them in my arguments, because they're in the minority. And when I create a product, which I want to be successful and to sell well, I try to aim it at the biggest possible audience.

And I can guarantee you that the biggest possible audience for Mortal Kombat 11 would prefer the female characters to look better. A vocal minority crying and bitching won't change that fact.

I mean your views are very myopic, and pretty much irrelevant to mk costumes.

40% of people who saw Avengers were women, but i'm sure you'll spin it as poor weak princesses being dragged by their rugged boyfriends to see the scary action movie. eye roll

 

[Krankk]

I mean your views are very myopic, and pretty much irrelevant to mk costumes.

I really don't think that's the case, but let's just agree to disagree.

40% of people who saw Avengers were women, but i'm sure you'll spin it as poor weak princesses being dragged by their rugged boyfriends to see the scary action movie. eye roll

The Avengers franchise is a current pop culture phenomenom. If you don't see it, then you're looked at as a social weirdo and outsider by society. And the majority of women and men would rather avoid being looked at as weirdos and outsiders (women more so than men, harharharharhar).

 

[Lun]

Get out of my head and stay in yours.


Well yeah. The only character I remember licking things suggestively was Mileena, and it was blood-covered Sai. (And then it's pretty gross). It would be pretty out of character for pretty much anyone else aside from a woman that tears people's faces off with her teeth.

My point exactly.

But then you come up and say that Jade poledancing is totally not out of character.

Jade is far from cold. Her first meaningful action in the series is to NOT assasinate Kitana. They are lifelong friends and are both edenian (which shows in both of their dancer-like attires, the style of which they share with MKX Rain). What does her outfit show now? It's a robe, either a green one or a beige one. It has a hood. She looks like the middle eastern woman I usually see in the market. She has nothing Edenian in her design and neither does Kitana.

Who said Edenian = bikini?

Also, they're dressed as inhabitants of Outworld. Which they ARE. Yes, they come from Edenia, but they now dress like the place they live into. You don't see a Japanese woman wearing a kimono in Germany, right?

(Also, her "dancer-like attire" is a bikini. Call it for what it really is.)

Now, we can argue that turning Outworld into pretty much the Middle East is not a good idea (the Outworld should be a mysterious fantasy place, not the literal Middle East but with four-armed dudes). But the devs did that since MKX.

You don't just fundamentally change an established character to the point they aren't recogniseable from one glance.

Then why aren't you commenting about:

1) Shao Kahn wearing real armour;

2) Kabal now having an actual face;

3) Sheeva now being a four-armed African lady instead of a draconic humanoid;

4) how Reptile was redesigned so many times;

5) Scorpion being a chill human dude instead of an angry spirit;

6) Shang Tsung and Sub-Zero randomly changing race every game;

7) Shang Tsung looking like a friendly grandpa instead of a vile sorcerer;

8) Erron Black going from near-immortal cowboy to a dude from Texas:

9) Mileena changing mouth from full Tarkatan mouth to having lips;

10) Shao Kahn now looking like a half-dragon (and no, it looks like it has nothing to do with Onaga apparently):

11) Kotal Khan turning into a jaguar, which is very cool and fitting for an Aztec warrior, but which is not something he could do before while now it's suddenly one of his main shticks;

12) Kano going from half-japanese half-American to Australian.


But no, the only thing that bothers you out of all the constant changes and retcons which happen in every episode, is that Jade isn't in bikini anymore.

Why can't you be honest with yourself?

Why? I honestly don't understand that reasoning.

Because otherwise he wouldn't be the male equivalent of bikini poledancing Jade.

Accept that the EXACT male equivalent of bikini poledancing Jade would be Sub-Zero in a loincloth which shows his side asschecks, slowly licking a ice shard suggestively.
If you can admit that to yourself, then you will understand why Jade needed to be changed. Which is no big deal: MK characters get changed constantly, as I just described above.





Edit

Why do you keep on mentioning high heels all the time? What did they ever do to you? Trust me, I'm not the kind of guy to look at someone's feet and go "damn, high heels, just broke the roof of my house with my ginormous boner" and I suspect the general population isn't either.

You REALLY have to ask me why would I be bothered that fighters, assassins and monster-bugs would wear high heels.....?

Sub-zero is canonically Chinese-american and is supposed to be mixed race. After the shift to 3d his race became significantly harder to tell and I'd argue the only games where he looked too white for this to be implausible are 3 and DA. There is nothing to get upset about because the character was always meant to be this way.

Subby looked 100% Caucasian for a bunch of games, and you try to tell me he was still totally Asian?

Hey, do you know who else was half-Japanese in the original lore? Again: KANO. And yet look, now suddenly he's Australian. You're going to tell me Kano is still half-Japanese?


TL; DR version: you keep going out of your way to ignore any argument I bring up, so I don't think there is much point in us arguing further. They say there is no stronger blindess than the blindness of those who don't want to see.

I also apologize if my reply to you sounded in any way aggressive. To avoid this escalating further, I don't think we should continue. I've already seen you don't want to see.

 

[Ns_Brutalmileena]

IVE FOLLOWED THIS THREAD FROM THE START these are MY THOUGHTS

As a self proclaimed freak lol, let me go ahead an end this argument. I'm someone who's super pro BIG OLE TITTIES AND ASSES.
Everyone wants better graphics.... its what all games shoot for every year enhancing everything, well...... As much as i don't want to give NRS a pass,
think about jiggly woman parts During and After FATALITIES....... it would look SUPER FETISH PORN AS FUCK, BECAUSE OF THE REALISM THE CHARACTERS HAVE IN THIS GAME they don't look anime or cartoon anymoar, making the game even more dark.... an the main stream media would be talking only about that shit and killing GTA hookers. They gave us basic bitch bodies because, shit would look like GURO FAP FETISH SHIT, so ya there's the answer. Real life jiggle is smexy till its on a brutalized chicks corpse, with physics still moving around. NRS giving us this whole high horse were mature now bullshit...

When really at the board meeting, they sadly had to realize they couldn't have it all, sex plus gore equalz a no!!no!! so they chose there historical cash in, but they chose to go harder then ever. We are pass the times of having both sex and violence because of graphical quality . Even if it was made static after death, because of where there at graphically it would still look super pervy..... this is coming from a pervy bastard who wants moar LADY FEET in the game so yay! lol

Now i will say there 0 excuse for the check list costumes :]

Ps If you want all the stuff I said they want to avoid(((( mod skyrim im sitting at 248 mods running 4k 60fps its way worst LOVERSLAB/SKYRIM BITCHZ

TLDR:: NRS DID NOTHING WRONG FOR A MAIN STREAM VIDEO GAME except ugly ass costumes an colorz and using injustice assets XD

Know one else finds it funny, this round of fatalities has been by far the most graphic, snuff, overkill, slutty, over the top gore fest and yet i haven't heard any media rumble this time yet. Were talking about stripper costumes that AREN'T EVEN IN THE GAME. NRS protected there self's from jiggle snuff fetish stigma lmao!

PSS:::: AS A FUCKED UP PERSON IS IT JUST ME OR IS IT STARTING TO BOTHER ANYONE ELSE SEE FAMILY MEMBERS KILLING EACH OTHER LAUGHING AN SMILING AN SHIT MAYBE I'M JUST GETTING SENSITIVE OR MAYBE THESE NEW REALISTIC GRAPHIC CHANGE THE WAY WE FEEL ABOUT SHIT YO

We can all enjoy Max an other twitch/youtubers ahegao faces from pixels..... literally crying from there passion for feels/art/lore, but my waifu can't give me a bone unless I'm a weeb cuck virgin OK cool

WAIFUZ 4 LYFU DONT JUDGE ME!

 

[Missanndairy]

I really don't think that's the case, but let's just agree to disagree.



The Avengers franchise is a current pop culture phenomenom. If you don't see it, then you're looked at as a social weirdo and outsider by society. And the majority of women and men would rather avoid being looked at as weirdos and outsiders (women more so than men, harharharharhar).

of course couldn't be women just enjoy them, they like pink and barbies. Yawn. Fuck off now.

 

[MKF30]

Have you seen the first ufc tournaments? Before MMA and it was style vs style? The people with clothes got wrecked. Besides Gracie but it almost cost him a few times. The gii didn’t stop him from making jujitsu an mma staple but it did hinder him many times.

I agree, they should. But will they? Nrs didn’t want those costumes in, they are the party acting like these are real women and some weird dignity is in play lol. “I don’t support seeing females this way” kind of mentality. But they support their heads getting ripped off so NRS also supports domestic abuse by association. “Hey that violence isn’t real!” I’m kidding of course but that’s the logic going around these days.

Jades revenant is good. Jacquis looked good from what I saw besides her default. D’Vorah isn’t a female in the same sense but she looks good. The others are uninspired, the personality doesn’t show. I have stayed away from the Frost gameplay but the screen shot looked ok.

Early on nope, never did but I'm not surprised man lol. If I was in one of those tourneys I wouldn't want to wear much. I'd want freedom to move around you know?

Yeah, unfortunately this time we probably won't get those outfits but I have hope that in the future NRS will hear the negative feedback from the oldschool fans who actually want those outfits and we'll get them. NRS is pretty receptive and listens. I just hope NRS doesn't turn into the typical PC police because all those shows, games that go out of their way to make statements fail if you've noticed. Look at the new Star Trek Discovery, I love ST but that show is garbage. SW the newer movies, Supergirl another example, lot of people dropped them cause of their political bs. Captain Marvel(it made a billion but only because it's a Marvel movie, the movie itself was not good) etc, etc

But I'd like to think NRS knows better, like how they handled Kung Jin was fine. They wanted a Gay character, they handled it with class and didn't force it throughout half the story like Supergirl every episode. Yep, I agree with your points 100%. It's ok to rip off a chick's head and throw it at the screen, but can't have her show cleavage....oh no, too much, it may offend someone (who most likey don't even buy your games but sure...cave lol) But you're right, that's the general mentality of a lot of developers, writers, etc now days for entertainment which is a bit depressing if you ask me but whatever.

I like quite a few of the females in MK 11 Jade, Kitana, Skarlet, Cetrion, D'Vorah, Cassie.

The mediocre ones but passable to me are Sonya, Kronika.

Horrible ones, Frost, Sheeva and Jacqui. I don't like any of their redesigns honestly.

That's of course my opinion, everyone has a different one I've noticed in this case.

 

[Hacenit]

You REALLY have to ask me why would I be bothered that fighters, assassins and monster-bugs would wear high heels.....?

Well yeah, I like people explaining their positions.
I'm honestly asking because heels are cool as shit. Raiden in MGR absolutely rocked heels. Not saying they fit every character, of couse, but I distinctly remember some character stabbing these heels in someone's face.
Sidenote: after trying to find it I saw a really cute art of sub-zero wearing high heels and acting like an anime girl.

1) Shao Kahn wearing real armour;

Not to keen on that one skin either, but his primary skin doesn't have it AND you can put his old outfits on him in variations. Not like shirtless Shao was removed because it would be unrealistic.

2) Kabal now having an actual face;

I mean it's his face before his face was burned off, there's nothing wrong with that. Time travel plot.

3) Sheeva now being a four-armed African lady instead of a draconic humanoid;

I honestly also dislike this new Sheeva design. She looks like a different character. Not just beacuse of attire, but she looks significantly wider.

4) how Reptile was redesigned so many times;

This one is story-related, but the excuses were so lazy lol. Oh, he's devolving because reasons, now he looks like a lizard. He was just masked as a human, etc. As much as I like Reptile him being constantly redesigned really hurt his identity I think. I remember constantly asking my friend why reptile was a crocodile face now.

5) Scorpion being a chill human dude instead of an angry spirit;

That's a story change. It's like complaining Liu Kang bacame a zombie or that Shang got younger. He still wears his yellow ninja suit. The trailer shows his classic skin.

6) Shang Tsung and Sub-Zero randomly changing race every game;

That one is not a good thing either. I don't remeber Shang Tsung ever changing race. But Sub-Zero being so white in some games despite being mixed race asian in the canon is a major fuckup.

8) Erron Black going from near-immortal cowboy to a dude from Texas:

That one was in his ending and they can just wave it away as never being canon, but it really upset me. The concept of 150 year old gunslinger just roaming outworld is much better than "some guy". However I wouldn't say Erron was ever anything but a henchman jobber.

9) Mileena changing mouth from full Tarkatan mouth to having lips;

That made me SO MAD when MKX came out. I bitched about it constantly. destroys the point of the mask completely when under it she has not a fucked up razor smile but regular looking lips.

10) Shao Kahn now looking like a half-dragon (and no, it looks like it has nothing to do with Onaga apparently):

No idea what to think about this one. I don't know why he's like this, but he looks like he's cursed or something. Seems like a useless addition. I thought it would be explained in the story, guess not.

11) Kotal Khan turning into a jaguar, which is very cool and fitting for an Aztec warrior, but which is not something he could do before while now it's suddenly one of his main shticks;

It's cool and fitting for an Aztec warrior. Just because he didn't do it before doesn't mean he couldn't. I personally don't like it though and think it would be a much better addition for a character like Nightwolf. Leave Kotal to his sacrifices.

12) Kano going from half-japanese half-American to Australian.

That was a nod to the movie, and not as big as it looks. I'm surprised they didn't make Scorpion's spear come out of his hand in the games afterwards. They got away with it too but at that time I didn't really know english and only saw a vhs of MK with really, really bad translation so I genuinely had no idea what nationality he was supposed to be. I imagine if it happened now I wouldn't be too keen on it. Raiden's hair also stayed in (In theory though, not like we see it anymore sadly).

Hey, do you know who else was half-Japanese in the original lore? Again: KANO. And yet look, now suddenly he's Australian. You're going to tell me Kano is still half-Japanese?

Kano was never half-japanese. He was abandoned in Japan by an american woman, who might not be related to him. His birthplace was unknown and he definiteyl didn't look asian. I had to find the original manual for MK1, but it's all there.

I also apologize if my reply to you sounded in any way aggressive.

No problems my man, you're pretty tame.

To avoid this escalating further, I don't think we should continue.

Yeah, sure thing. Couldn't pass up the opprtunity to bitch about old series changes though, sorry. Peace

 

[AloneUA]

Many single women watch horror films, I suggest getting out more.

Lmao, my best friend and his girlfriend are like a perfect example. She loves horrors and he can’t stand them at all closing his eyes at every remotely scary moment xD

 

[EarlyReflections]

Yo, Ive held saying this bluntly back, but tonight Im on one.

Sex is okay. Being sexual is okay. Liking sex A LOT is okay. Being gay is okay. Being straight is okay. Being both, or trans, or pan, or asexual is okay. The idea is to include everyone and not to exclude anyone. If you are hate talking toward people who want to see tiddies and that juicy bootae, youre just another part of the thought police. I like to think, somewhere, theres a world where guys are fighting for characters like Jax to not have abs because it portrays an unrealistic body standard and objectifies men. Honestly, I myself am a classical feminist. Any person, man, woman, even Mileena player be able to earn anything they are capable of earning and respect them and treat them as they wish to be treated. But that does NOT mean, I am to pretend I dont want to see them Naked. Especially if its just some game Im playing PURELY FOR ENTERTAINMENT. Also, its not even weird to be turned on by picels. Some people atre genuinely into hentai and the like. Its certainly an option on tabs when Im on Pornhub. Theres a market. Lets all be adults. This game is rated mature, lets act mature. Men are half naked. Liu, Jax, Johnny, others, so women can be too. Its fantasy. To please us. Game of thrones doesnt HAVE to show tits and sex and John Snows ass, but it does. Because people love it. I want Mileena with big ole tidders and idc who knows it.

Rant over.

Also, surprise, Cetrion is the most boring character in the whole damn fighting game universe.

Can we pin this post in the front page of the whole internet?

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Male characters:

• be powerful
• be muscular
• flex those muscles, boi

Female characters:

• be sexy
• be beautiful
• show some skin

In general and on average, I think it's pretty safe to say that men want to look badass, while women want to look pretty. And if you are a man and you look at fictional characters, you want to look like the male character and you want to save the female character and ride off with her into the sunset.

This is exactly the kind of outdated, sexist mentality that’s finally starting to change.

“Men = tough, women = eye candy” is decades out of date.

 

[MalevolentFix]

This is exactly the kind of outdated, sexist mentality that’s finally starting to change.

“Men = tough, women = eye candy” is decades out of date.

That's why they must add Sheeva.

 

[Professor Oak]

Something you all fail to see is that the females can be dressed anyway the designers want, because being modest is fine, being sexual is fine, DRESSING LIKE A STRIPPER IS FINE. You sound like a bunch of folk I wouldnt want at the barbecue tbh.

Thats my one and only point. Any level of sexual appeal is acceptable. Its not more mature to be more modest, its more mature to be able to maturely handle adult content, which most of you fail to do.

Calling outfits “stripper” outfits make you seem like a child who has never met a stripper or been to a strip club. Insinuating that people want to masturbate to them lets me know what you do with your free time. This is a joke. Anyone who wants to make this place more accepting and friendly, seek this thread. Ignore the posts from the clearly out of touch and oppressive. They genuinely have already objectified women to the point that a naked man does not equal a naked woman. Let them explain why or how that is.


And one of you is somehow a fucking admin here. Pathetic. Clean yourselves off and get out of my sight.

 

[Vslayer]

This is exactly the kind of outdated, sexist mentality that’s finally starting to change.

“Men = tough, women = eye candy” is decades out of date.

Agreed, both men and women have a bit of masculinity and femininity in them and that really depends on their personality. The issue that people bring up is that the women are not sexy enough, but why is badass not enough for them? Or why don't we describe the guys as sexy? We always see them as beefy and badass. Of course that also comes from the fact that men are built differently than woman and that's fine, but I feel like workout outfits and less armor would look better in this game because the designs are a bit too much, and from what I've seen they didn't get really creative when it comes to women's costumes. They only did that for the men and that in itself is a double standard.