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MK11 female designs are... extremely underwhelming

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Hacenit

I complain a lot but only about things I love.
To put it in perspective, imagine Sub-Zero wearing only the blue part of his costume while the black cloth is now replaced by naked skin
You mean like this? Maybe with less pants? Could be cool.
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when he wins a match he does slow, sexy pelvic thrusts in a dance, as a victory pose.
Not really Sub's character. He's all cold and has no time to socialise. I can totally see Johnny Cage doing this though. Maybe Kano too if I think about it. He can say "'EY BABY, DID YOU MISS ME" all sensual and stuff. Rain can pull that off easily I think, he is too sexy for his shirt.

And is Jade in clothes really the OPPOSITE of Jade in bikini? If you think so, it means you thought the bikini was an important part of Jade's identity, and Jade isn't Jade if she's not in bikini (and possibly poledancing).
Jade has been wearing an outfit like that for at least 15 years. This video didn't come out of nowhere.

She's a ninja assassin like Sub-Zero or Rain.
I always knew that realistic and believable assassins dressed in insanely loud colors and wore jewelry.
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Again: Sub-Zero is now Asian. That's changing an established character's design to the point it's etc. etc.
Sub-Zero was Asian in MK2, his first appearance. 13998
 

Lun

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You mean like this? Maybe with less pants? Could be cool.
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I am saying WITHOUT pants. Just that little loincloth. Oh, and some asscheeck must show.

And you and I both know the only reason you claim "it could be cool" is because it won't happen. The moment Sub-Zero starts licking sensually and suggestively an ice shard in his intro animation, is the moment everyone calls that out of character and weird and flips out.

Not really Sub's character. He's all cold and has no time to socialise. I can totally see Johnny Cage doing this though. Maybe Kano too if I think about it. He can say "'EY BABY, DID YOU MISS ME" all sensual and stuff. Rain can pull that off easily I think, he is too sexy for his shirt.
Not really Jade's character. She's all cold and had no time to socialize, being a trained assassin. I can totally see Mileena doing this though. Maybe Skarlet too if I think about it.

See?

Then why is Jade doing that?

Jade has been wearing an outfit like that for at least 15 years. This video didn't come out of nowhere.
Not really. It originally wasn't a skimpy bikini but a more acceptable gym leotard. THEN, later on, after each game, they made it more and more evident it was lingerie. And then they gave her full blown lingerie and high heels and a lapdance to complete it.

But you've still answered my question: you actually think the bikini is an important part of Jade's design and Jade isn't Jade if she isn't in bikini.

That says enough, isn't it?


I always knew that realistic and believable assassins dressed in insanely loud colors and wore jewelry.
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Shao Kahn is wearing even less clothing. Shao Kahn is wearing almost fetish gear.

Is he overly sexualized? No. It's all in the attitude. Just like with Cetrion: she's skimpy and in high heels, but nobody notices that because she isn't behaving suggestively.

With Cetrion you can finally understand that a goodlooking character in skimpy clothing isn't necessarily oversexualized. Bikini Jade was VERY oversexualized.


Sub-Zero was Asian in MK2, his first appearance. View attachment 13998

And he was Caucasian in MK3. The game right after that. And they also kept him Caucasian even when there were no longer actors involved.

BUTH MUH CONTINUITY!! JADE MUST STILL WEAR A BIKINI! ;)
 

Hacenit

I complain a lot but only about things I love.
And you and I both know the only reason you claim "it could be cool" is because it won't happen.
you are saying that you are fine with it but you aren't, because I said so
Get out of my head and stay in yours.

The moment Sub-Zero starts licking sensually and suggestively an ice shard in his intro animation, is the moment everyone calls that out of character and weird and flips out.
Well yeah. The only character I remember licking things suggestively was Mileena, and it was blood-covered Sai. (And then it's pretty gross). It would be pretty out of character for pretty much anyone else aside from a woman that tears people's faces off with her teeth.

Not really Jade's character. She's all cold and had no time to socialize, being a trained assassin. I can totally see Mileena doing this though. Maybe Skarlet too if I think about it.
Jade is far from cold. Her first meaningful action in the series is to NOT assasinate Kitana. They are lifelong friends and are both edenian (which shows in both of their dancer-like attires, the style of which they share with MKX Rain). What does her outfit show now? It's a robe, either a green one or a beige one. It has a hood. She looks like the middle eastern woman I usually see in the market. She has nothing Edenian in her design and neither does Kitana.

You don't just fundamentally change an established character to the point they aren't recogniseable from one glance. If not for the staff it could be a new Jacqui design. There is a reason you don't see Liu Kang suddenly dress like a beduin or Kano like a pirate outside from obviously joke alternate skins.
Just want to mention here that I hate Johnny's bland MKX design and it did the same thing. Where are his bitchin' suits? The vest sucks ass, but his primary with chest tattoo was in so there were less grounds to complain.

I am saying WITHOUT pants. Just that little loincloth. Oh, and some asscheeck must show.
Why? I honestly don't understand that reasoning. The character can be shirtless, constantly look like he's covered in oil and flexing real hard, can have a perfect six pack and a nice face, cool ass and real neat broad shoulders, have an insanely deep voice and confident demeanor but for some weird reason people will stroll up and say he aint sexy unless he's out there doing Ricardo Milos dances straight into the camera. I wouldn't mind if we had a proper pretty boy lover character, but that spot is being ironically occupied by Johhny cage.
There are plenty of characters who aren't wearing pants either. There is a Kotal Kahn variation where he only wears short underpants. It's named "Hot Pants". I think Jax has some (at least I hope so)

Shao Kahn is even less clothing. Shao Kahn is wearing almost fetish gear.

Is he overly sexualized? No. It's all in the attitude. Just like with Cetrion: she's skimpy and in high heels, but nobody notices that because she isn't behaving suggestively.
Shao Kahn has weird monster arm here, weird monster face, glowing red eyes, wears a skull above his face and looks dirty as hell for some reason. I think the only reason Cetrion is less sexy is because her skin is this weird greyish color and honestly blends in with her clothes. She looks like either a dead person or a living statue. She's also bland as hell tbh.

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Why do you keep on mentioning high heels all the time? What did they ever do to you? Trust me, I'm not the kind of guy to look at someone's feet and go "damn, high heels, just broke the roof of my house with my ginormous boner" and I suspect the general population isn't either.

And he was Caucasian in MK3. The game right after that. And they also kept him Caucasian even when there were no longer actors involved.
Sub-zero is canonically Chinese-american and is supposed to be mixed race. After the shift to 3d his race became significantly harder to tell and I'd argue the only games where he looked too white for this to be implausible are 3 and DA. There is nothing to get upset about because the character was always meant to be this way.
 

MKF30

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Maybe Jade's hobby on the side is pole dancing. It's a serious skill. I'm also glad others know that the Subby Brothers are half asian/half white (half American/half Chinese) by lore.
 

stokedAF

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Everyone can relax though. If they make Sheeva DLC you KNOW they have to give her the sling bikini at some point. Then Sheeva will be prettiest girl.
Lol yeah probably. The only way they add sex appeal to the females now is if they are rotting corpses or monsters. Which is weird honestly...
 

CrimsonShadow

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MMA Fighters don't wear a lot

For the umpteenth time, it's not about how much is worn.. It's about what said clothing is designed to do.

I know you guys are mostly male -- but if you don't get the difference between an athletic support and a cleavage-emphasizing string bikini, push-up-bra, or a thong, etc, I don't know what to say. Fight clothes aren't designed for stimulation. Apples and oranges.

All the "omg skin" people are missing the fact that clothes are designed for different things. Which is why there's a difference between a boxer with bare chest and Magic Mike in a banana hammock designed to show off the package. It's not the same.
 
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MKF30

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Some people are seriously in denial as to what MMA/UFC girls wear. It has nothing to do with us being male, just facts are facts. Those athletic support bras DO show cleavage in some cases but this isn't even what we're talking about, we're talking about the fact that in a real fight you show skin and don't wear clothes, and not covered like a nun. I don't get how some people don't understand this. And FTR, there are women on here who have agreed with this so how is this a "male" thing? lol

If it wasn't for boobs getting in the way, I'm sure they'd go shirtless like a guy. That's why they wear the next best thing in those shirts. Not everything is about sexualizing people. :rolleyes:
 

HeavyNorse

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Meh, that MMA gear is pretty boring, imo. I prefer stylish costumes over "practical" sportswear. Just a top and some shorts aren't really interesting at all.
 

MKF30

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Yeah they just wear what's comfortable and practical since it's a real fight. WWE you can get a bit more flashy but then again that's fake so you can get away with it.
 

MKF30

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I agree, which is why it shouldn't matter what they wear either way.;) Unfortunately it's become a battle of one extreme vs the other. If I were NRS, I'd just put in 30 costumes. Put in the ones dressed from head to toe and the ones that show more skin. This way everyone's happy.
 

stokedAF

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Some people are seriously in denial as to what MMA/UFC girls wear. It has nothing to do with us being male, just facts are facts. Those athletic support bras DO show cleavage in some cases but this isn't even what we're talking about, we're talking about the fact that in a real fight you show skin and don't wear clothes, and not covered like a nun. I don't get how some people don't understand this. And FTR, there are women on here who have agreed with this so how is this a "male" thing? lol

If it wasn't for boobs getting in the way, I'm sure they'd go shirtless like a guy. That's why they wear the next best thing in those shirts. Not everything is about sexualizing people. :rolleyes:
I mean that’s true. You strip because it’s less for your opponent to grab onto. You don’t want to get your karate gi pulled over your head like a hockey jersey and swung around like a bitch. We’re not talking about a real fight here we’re taking about personality and character designs.
 
For the umpteenth time, it's not about how much is worn.. It's about what said clothing is designed to do.

I know you guys are mostly male -- but if you don't get the difference between an athletic support and a cleavage-emphasizing string bikini, push-up-bra, or a thong, etc, I don't know what to say. Fight clothes aren't designed for stimulation. Apples and oranges.

All the "omg skin" people are missing the fact that clothes are designed for different things. Which is why there's a difference between a boxer with bare chest and Magic Mike in a banana hammock designed to show off the package. It's not the same.
Maybe I understood your initial post. It seemed to imply that MMA fighters wore a lot more. I personally thought the MK9 stripper costumes were ridiculous. That said a lot of these MK11 costumes are just as bad on the other end of the spectrum. Most of Cassie's gear looks bad and it has nothing to do with the amount of skin showing. Cassie never showed that much skin to begin with. They are overdesigned or extremely derivative of Sonya. The latter wouldn't be that bad if Cassie favored Sonya's personality but she doesn't she favors Johnny.
 

MKF30

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I mean that’s true. You strip because it’s less for your opponent to grab onto. You don’t want to get your karate gi pulled over your head like a hockey jersey and swung around like a bitch. We’re not talking about a real fight here we’re taking about personality and character designs.
I know but some people are acting as if the girls are "real" even though they're not. A Karate Gii remember (one your size anyway) will not have anything to grab compared to something like Skarlet's wearing. lol But yeah at this point I think NRS should just have both kinds of costumes, this way everyone is pleased.
 

stokedAF

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I know but some people are acting as if the girls are "real" even though they're not. A Karate Gii remember (one your size anyway) will not have anything to grab compared to something like Skarlet's wearing. lol But yeah at this point I think NRS should just have both kinds of costumes, this way everyone is pleased.
Have you seen the first ufc tournaments? Before MMA and it was style vs style? The people with clothes got wrecked. Besides Gracie but it almost cost him a few times. The gii didn’t stop him from making jujitsu an mma staple but it did hinder him many times.

I agree, they should. But will they? Nrs didn’t want those costumes in, they are the party acting like these are real women and some weird dignity is in play lol. “I don’t support seeing females this way” kind of mentality. But they support their heads getting ripped off so NRS also supports domestic abuse by association. “Hey that violence isn’t real!” I’m kidding of course but that’s the logic going around these days.

Jades revenant is good. Jacquis looked good from what I saw besides her default. D’Vorah isn’t a female in the same sense but she looks good. The others are uninspired, the personality doesn’t show. I have stayed away from the Frost gameplay but the screen shot looked ok.
 
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