It shouldn't be a habit, but it is something that can be used sparingly for mind games. You can throw it out once and see how the opponents reacts and then formulate a strategy accordingly. It's a tool like any other, it has to be used in the proper situation.
In theory yes, but with online etc etc why use it when you have an 11 frame mid.
I’ve seen good Raiden players terrified to use it at all.
Indeed. That is what I meant.
Thanks. I already use F3 into 243. I'll work on getting more consistent with D3 into 243, I just didn't know if there were any hitbox issues with it.
B12 is easily hit confirmable and leaves you with more options. Just me, but I think poke should still be more plus on hit. It's still a super tight jail online I'd rather not risk.
agree, it would be awesome to actually be able to use 3,2 and hitconfirm after a poke.
Yeah right now 321 (i think) is a completely useless string. That should any gap in it at the very least. I don't really know how to fix that string to be honest, but it's pretty awful.
32 in theory is his max damage 11f high punisher. Where F3 would be his max damage 11f mid punisher. Things like SZ’s slide has to be punished by F3 since the move lowers his hurtbox and 32 will whiff, but it’s easier to do B12 since you can hit confirm. Many would just use B12 to punish since it serves both an 11f mid and is forward advancing and can be hit confirmed. It also doesn’t help that S3 whiffs on crouch-blocking opponents, making the only normal he has which is plus (+3) kind of useless. If the case gets all the hitbox fixes, I imagine we will have to take a big look into Raiden’s S3 and it’s usage in matches.
So basically after F3, F2, B3, D3 hit, it’ll be a mix-up of either throw or 243 or mid?
In the corner, amp storm cell, jik, b2 sets up a very scary mixup situation with b2 and b3. People tend to roll or wakeup attack if they are familiar with the situation, which you can punish by doing walk back b2 into kb.
It's hard to tell so early in the game, but I'm not convinced Raiden really needs anything atm. Strings may be unsafe, but he can mix up plenty of options such as near or far tp, storm cell, superman cancel, etc, and he gets massive rewards off of every hit. ~300 dmg and corner carry for a bar midscreen is great in this game. He has side switch combos, good kb's, and very highly rewarding corner mixups. I think he is a strong character.
Storm cell is the most punishable move in the game. He hasn’t no mix and unsafe on pretty new much everything without Superman cancels or far teleport. So basically if you start offense with Raiden and you have no defense bar, you’re absolutely fucked. You can’t mb lightning strike on block and bf1 wiffs on crouching opponents. Df2 should Be safe and then we have a character with options.
Still better than Kung Lao
Kung Lao has a significant better stagger game and some nasty mind games in hat trick. I’d put Lao and Raiden around the same area with both needing some improvements.
If he gets that buff I’d be so happy. Right now you can only use the far version.
Unless you have lots of health and you need chip the close one can act as a shield but yeah I only like doing the mid to far plus it's one of his brutalities hehe
raidens design alone is pretty fine, no arguing about that. but then, have you labbed for example cassie or geras? these characters are so good. safe, fast mids, launchers and krushing blows everywhere. i dont know why they have it. raiden has some great specials and mobility, but hes just not up there with them. id rather tone the others down though.
Yes, Ive labbed those characters. He might not be the absolute top of the top, but hes still very strong. One thing to note is that even with no defensive meter, the opponent still has to guess with the punish as you can mixup with storm cell occasionally. Because of these mixups, a good Raiden will almost never get punished for strings such as b12. 243 is safe as well and jails off d1. His teleport drastically changes neutral and he can deal with zoning from skarlet, cetrion, cassie, sonya, etc in a way that few characters can. We shouldn't downplay the character just because he has negative strings or because he doesn't seem as strong as sonya or geras. He has plenty of room from growth as time goes on
