LBSH Tombstone Bottom 5?

[A F0xy Grampa]

This is the nicest thing you ever said to me.

Thank you

Love you too

 

[Ermaculate_Slim]

i remember a time when people were saying nw beats ermac 6-4 / 5.5 - 4.5 .

what has changed that gives ermac the advantage in the mu now?

Well if no one plays em how can he beat ermac?#Kappa

 

[M2Dave]

Some of those numbers look ridiculous. I know for a fact that Freddy does not beat Nightwolf 8:2.

The more important point is, if you are serious about placing high at a major tournament, come prepared with a top tier character. At some point or another, you will fight Cyrax, Kabal, Kenshi, Kung Lao, Sonya, etc. so if you main Nightwolf, you are fucked of course.

 

[zaf]

Well if no one plays em how can he beat ermac?#Kappa

lmao i guess so but that doesnt mean that ermac just wins

 

[zaf]

Some of those numbers look ridiculous. I know for a fact that Freddy does not beat Nightwolf 8:2.

The more important point is, if you are serious about placing high at a major tournament, come prepared with a top tier character. At some point or another, you will fight Cyrax, Kabal, Kenshi, Kung Lao, Sonya, etc. so if you main Nightwolf, you are fucked of course.

i have no problem with fighting any of those characters as ermac and he is not considered a top tier.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Some of those numbers look ridiculous. I know for a fact that Freddy does not beat Nightwolf 8:2.

The more important point is, if you are serious about placing high at a major tournament, come prepared with a top tier character. At some point or another, you will fight Cyrax, Kabal, Kenshi, Kung Lao, Sonya, etc. so if you main Nightwolf, you are fucked of course.

Holy shit we agreed

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Some of those numbers look ridiculous. I know for a fact that Freddy does not beat Nightwolf 8:2.

The more important point is, if you are serious about placing high at a major tournament, come prepared with a top tier character. At some point or another, you will fight Cyrax, Kabal, Kenshi, Kung Lao, Sonya, etc. so if you main Nightwolf, you are fucked of course.

Freddy NW is terrible. Whether it is 2-8 or 3-7 doesn't matter that much. It's fucking terrible.

I agree with the second part of your post 100%

 

[M2Dave]

i have no problem with fighting any of those characters as ermac and he is not considered a top tier.

If you ever fight CD Jr., Maxter, Pig, REO, etc., you will have problems. The point is that Ermac does OK versus the top tier characters, and OK means he still loses but at least does not lose 7:3 to all of them like some characters do.

 

[Phosferrax]

It doesn't matter how good/bad your character is. If you do not play Kenshi/Kung Lao/Kabal then you're not going to win a tournament.

No character outside those 3 will ever win another major where there is a high level player for each of those characters.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

That luis kang always showing up trying to take Liu Kang's place... must be Kung Lao in disguise...


No way he loses to Sub 3-7. NO WAY

 

[TheTetraSpirit]

That luis kang always showing up trying to take Liu Kang's place... must be Kung Lao in disguise...


No way he loses to Sub 3-7. NO WAY

That one actually seems pretty legit.
There really isn't dick NW can do to Sub at any part of the screen.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

People in general give the low tiers too much credit and the high tiers not enough.

Reos new MU list for kabal is about right and people who play characters like NW, jade, stryker, and baraka need to get real.

sorry STB Sgt Reed

 

[Wemfs]

It doesn't matter how good/bad your character is. If you do not play Kenshi/Kung Lao/Kabal then you're not going to win a tournament.

No character outside those 3 will ever win another major where there is a high level player for each of those characters.

Sad, but true. Gotta add CDjr's Jax to that list tho.

 

[HGTV Soapboxfan]

I agree with the mus my opinion would matter on (cage and sub zero). Good chart.

 

[DeathAndHealing]

Poor Tombstone. At least he was a bad ass in story mode.

 

[Espio]

Hold up....the Baraka, Stryker, or Jade communities don't go around overrating our characters and acting like they're super good, most of us have said our characters were bottom tier for months upon months. I've seen other people doing it a lot though.

Most of us just choose to work with the tools we've got and don't complain all the time because it fixes nothing, no patch is coming nor anything else....

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Hold up....the Baraka, Stryker, or Jade communities don't go around overrating our characters and acting like they're super good, most of us have said our characters were bottom tier for months upon months. I've seen other people doing it a lot though.

Most of us just choose to work with the tools we've got and don't complain all the time because it fixes nothing, no patch is coming nor anything else....

i didnt say they did really...but many many many MU that are 4-6 get moved to 5-5 and matches that are really 2-8 and 7-3 get moved to 4-6. I'm just saying, lets be totally serious here.

 

[Espio]

i didnt say they did really...but many many many MU that are 4-6 get moved to 5-5 and matches that are really 2-8 and 7-3 get moved to 4-6. I'm just saying, lets be totally serious here.

We'll be serious here...I'm not too worried about it either way in terms of where the chips fall, I'm not quite interested in sugar coating anything, I just don't really feel most matches are that bad...although 2-8 and 3-7's do exist in this game, my characters have some and I have not disputed that nor do I care all that much.

 

[zaf]

If you ever fight CD Jr., Maxter, Pig, REO, etc., you will have problems. The point is that Ermac does OK versus the top tier characters, and OK means he still loses but at least does not lose 7:3 to all of them like some characters do.

i dont mind 6-4 mus either
i just grind out the tough match ups to a point where i am comfortable with them.
cage is one of my favorite mus

 

[trustinme]

Some of those numbers look ridiculous. I know for a fact that Freddy does not beat Nightwolf 8:2.

The more important point is, if you are serious about placing high at a major tournament, come prepared with a top tier character. At some point or another, you will fight Cyrax, Kabal, Kenshi, Kung Lao, Sonya, etc. so if you main Nightwolf, you are fucked of course.

dude have you ever tried to fight freddy with nightwolf? its fucking impossible,freddy can punish all wakeups with ns,you cant use arrow because of ground spike,you cant use lightning because he can teleport on reaction,theres no point reflecting because he can just block and ground spike afterwards.your basically left with ex shoulder to get a knockdown,thats it,thats your 1 weapon.this is one of the worst matchups in the game.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

dude have you ever tried to fight freddy with nightwolf? its fucking impossible,freddy can punish all wakeups with ns,you cant use arrow because of ground spike,you cant use lightning because he can teleport on reaction,theres no point reflecting because he can just block and ground spike afterwards.your basically left with ex shoulder to get a knockdown,thats it,thats your 1 weapon.this is one of the worst matchups in the game.

Well he has a saving grace in that Freddy has slow normals / big hitbox, while NW has relatively quick ones compared to Freddy, so I guess once you're relatively close you might be able to force a mistake. Other than that he'll just have to play the same game a majority of others have to.

 

[UsedForGlue]

In the current state of the game, just pick smoke, kung lao, or CSZ in this match, there is no point being loyal to your character against Freddy, you will just make it easy for him.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

In the current state of the game, just pick smoke, kung lao, or CSZ in this match, there is no point being loyal to your character against Freddy, you will just make it easy for him.

no loyalty.

Im loyal only to skarlet, kabal, and now...duh duh duh...reptile!

 

[trustinme]

In the current state of the game, just pick smoke, kung lao, or CSZ in this match, there is no point being loyal to your character against Freddy, you will just make it easy for him.

yeah,i mean freddy is the only character that forces me to pick raiden or kung lao,two characters i know nothing about at all and i still do better with them than my main or my shitty secondary.@fly,looking forward to seeing your reptile man.

 

[EntwinedTodd]

This thread is so stupid. Because all the garbage NW players aren't as good as other top players, that makes NW bad? There's a reason everyone who dropped NW went to Kabal. I disagree with about 95% of this chart.