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Knicks Vs P2w Where does Darkseid stand?

The results are as expected. Playing To Win and I have not played the Darkseid and Deadshot match in a very long time so I am not surprised that he started off slow but ended up winning 12 consecutive games as he began reacting to the teleport more consistently. I dropped Darkseid as a main character because of Playing To Win, who encouraged me to switch to Red Hood. I have seen much, much better results ever since.

I do not intend to beat a dead horse because I have already discussed my opinion on Darkseid on the most recent Player 1 Advantage podcast. The character is mid tier in this version of the game. I am certain he will be better, albeit not by much, in the following patch that will be released next week. If you have a good understanding of the game, you realize that Darkseid cannot possibly be top tier. As you stated yourself, a character with garbage normal attacks can simply not be a top tier character in this game.
Glad Dave chimes in bc we have played he match countless times early in the games life. I think darkseid will struggle vs those that know the mu. He is probably going to be good for a surprise pick and to catch people off guard. If u don’t know the mu then you will struggle.
 

boba_buster

Noob saibot
What chars, Bladam is a 5-5, Cws a 5-5, Redhood is a 5-5, he does lose to sg and deadshot. I lost to gunshow bc i didnt really know firestorm could do all that and like 95 percent of our games went down to scrambles which he won, granted i got outplayed. Like i said if u are constantly letting people squirm on your mixups you are playing darkseid wrong you can stop all of there options like I said he is high mid.
How are we suppose to play the adam mu. Feels horrible to me
 
How are we suppose to play the adam mu. Feels horrible to me
ia lasers. if the black adam is interrupting them with black magic do ia laser into regular laser it will trade with the black magic. the black adam then can do low lightning to counter that trade but then you can go back to ia lasers. Also if you expect you can beat a black magic your tele will help punish it well on whiff. Hope to god his dk doesnt glitch through your lasers and look out for mb roll. abuse your d1 into special and dont jump too much up close. with all of this in mind it should just be a 4-6 as i feel that ba still beats him however most adams will just sit there and stop black magicing and then the mu is really easy.

Tip: start of the round jump back 3 will trade with a non superdelayed black adam f1
 
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Tweedy

Noob
There's no way Darkseid is mid tier. I hate how this is fueling TYMers who think that Darkseid is somehow not even in the top half of the cast. He's probably not top 5 but he's damn good. Deadshot is just 1 match up.

Edit: I think Theo had him at #9 when he posted his current version top 10. That's probably accurate.
 

Tweedy

Noob
Remember Dave has also said in the past that undeniable top characters like 2015 Summoner Quan and release Tremor were mid tier. 2015 Summoner Quan was undeniably the best character and Dave was saying the same shit. "A character with no wake up cannot be top tier", but Quan was hitting people and putting them into hard to blockable vortexes for no meter, and they couldn't wake up either at that point lol. Plus quan outzoned everyone in the game.

Not even gonna get into release Tremor. Fucking release Tremor lol.

I like Dave but his opinion is super suspect sometimes. Darkseid is not 2015 Quan but mid tier is not a possibility.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Aside from Knicks who uses Superman as much as he uses Darkseid, nobody uses Darkseid exclusively, not even as a secondary character. The game was released half a year ago. If Darkseid had been top 10 in any previous version of the game, a high level player would have certainly learned and placed with the character, but no one did. The reason is simple. There have always been superior options. If I want extremely good zoning against melee characters, I can learn Deadshot or Captain Cold as some high level players have done. If I want offensive tools that offer high reward and low risk, I can learn Black Canary, Catwoman, or Flash as some high level players have done. Darkseid neither exceeds in nor offers any innovative gameplay in any specific match ups. I doubt the next patch will change my perspective, but he is merely a high reward and high risk character who has good zoning but no footsies presence whatsoever. Believing that he is a mid tier character is counter-intuitive if you base your opinion on special moves and damage output, yet the evidence clearly points in a different direction. No high level player uses him. No high level player places well with him.

As far as history is concerned, the community remembers when you are wrong but forgets when you are right. When I was preaching how broken Smoke was in Mortal Kombat 9 or Martian Manhunter in Injustice 1, nobody cared, yet everyone seems to recall the inaccurate predictions about Zod and Tremor to this day.
 

THTB

RIP Arez & Booya
As far as history is concerned, the community remembers when you are wrong but forgets when you are right. When I was preaching how broken Smoke was in Mortal Kombat 9 or Martian Manhunter in Injustice 1, nobody cared, yet everyone seems to recall the inaccurate predictions about Zod and Tremor to this day.
To be fair, I don't think Tweedy was around then lol.

I could be mistaken on that, but either way.
 

EMPEROR_KNICKS

Master of Kombat(frauds)
Aside from Knicks who uses Superman as much as he uses Darkseid, nobody uses Darkseid exclusively, not even as a secondary character. The game was released half a year ago. If Darkseid had been top 10 in any previous version of the game, a high level player would have certainly learned and placed with the character, but no one did. The reason is simple. There have always been superior options. If I want extremely good zoning against melee characters, I can learn Deadshot or Captain Cold as some high level players have done. If I want offensive tools that offer high reward and low risk, I can learn Black Canary, Catwoman, or Flash as some high level players have done. Darkseid neither exceeds in nor offers any innovative gameplay in any specific match ups. I doubt the next patch will change my perspective, but he is merely a high reward and high risk character who has good zoning but no footsies presence whatsoever. Believing that he is a mid tier character is counter-intuitive if you base your opinion on special moves and damage output, yet the evidence clearly points in a different direction. No high level player uses him. No high level player places well with him.

As far as history is concerned, the community remembers when you are wrong but forgets when you are right. When I was preaching how broken Smoke was in Mortal Kombat 9 or Martian Manhunter in Injustice 1, nobody cared, yet everyone seems to recall the inaccurate predictions about Zod and Tremor to this day.
Dave since the patch and all my real tourney success has been with darkseid and i use him far more than supes, and while i choked at eleague Ive beaten plenty of high level players with the character, most ppl dont play the character because hes hard , you need to grind and lab like crazy and why do that when you can pick up another, easier upper midtier char. And fate has been top 10 for awhile aside from 1 tourney where bdon placed top 8 most ppl just use fate as a counterpick and not a main.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
you need to grind and lab like crazy and why do that when you can pick up another, easier upper midtier char.
I am aware. You are more or less saying what I was in my previous post. I still stand by my previous premise. Darkseid is mid tier. But I give you credit for being the best Darkseid player I have ever faced. I need to learn to play the match at Playing To Win's level, though.

Also, players have used Dr. Fate as a secondary character because of Deadshot. His tournament viability will increase dramatically in the next patch.
 

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
Im starting to feel differently about the harley mu its not like darkseid wins the zoning war.
Best she gets is a trade against his lasers if anything tbh, she definitely has to get in lol it's not that bad but saying Darkseid doesn't win the zoning war against her is just... Nope
 

EMPEROR_KNICKS

Master of Kombat(frauds)
I am aware. You are more or less saying what I was in my previous post. I still stand by my previous premise. Darkseid is mid tier. But I give you credit for being the best Darkseid player I have ever faced. I need to learn to play the match at Playing To Win's level, though.

Also, players have used Dr. Fate as a secondary character because of Deadshot. His tournament viability will increase dramatically in the next patch.
Darkseid mu wise is very good thats why i put him upper mid so somewhere in the lower part of top 10, my point is there are chars that are really good that dont get much usage because why grind with a weirdo character like darkseid who is like a specialist character when you can play an easier character and yah i understand you made that point i guess the disagreement is you think hes mid while i think hes uppermid.
 

Wigy

There it is...
I think saying X character is bad in this game cause of tournament representation is nonsense because theres been all these characters that are way too easy to play as well as being top tier. Why bother with the slightly lower tier that are way harder to play.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
As far as history is concerned, the community remembers when you are wrong but forgets when you are right. When I was preaching how broken Smoke was in Mortal Kombat 9 or Martian Manhunter in Injustice 1, nobody cared, yet everyone seems to recall the inaccurate predictions about Zod and Tremor to this day.
So, just excuse the fact all your recent hot takes were wrong because 5 years ago you were sort of right about stuff everyone already agreed on?
 

ABACABB

End Of Humanity
I am aware. You are more or less saying what I was in my previous post. I still stand by my previous premise. Darkseid is mid tier. But I give you credit for being the best Darkseid player I have ever faced. I need to learn to play the match at Playing To Win's level, though.

Also, players have used Dr. Fate as a secondary character because of Deadshot. His tournament viability will increase dramatically in the next patch.
Fate will be deadshot 2.0 mark my words . He can be played in a similar way as deadshot was pre patch.
 
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Eldriken

Guest
So, just excuse the fact all your recent hot takes were wrong because 5 years ago you were sort of right about stuff everyone already agreed on?
I don't think he's saying it should be excused. Dave has and always seems to admit when he was wrong. It's just that people always point to when others were wrong about something and tend to disregard when they were right about anything at all.
 

haketh

Noob
Remember Dave has also said in the past that undeniable top characters like 2015 Summoner Quan and release Tremor were mid tier. 2015 Summoner Quan was undeniably the best character and Dave was saying the same shit. "A character with no wake up cannot be top tier", but Quan was hitting people and putting them into hard to blockable vortexes for no meter, and they couldn't wake up either at that point lol. Plus quan outzoned everyone in the game.

Not even gonna get into release Tremor. Fucking release Tremor lol.

I like Dave but his opinion is super suspect sometimes. Darkseid is not 2015 Quan but mid tier is not a possibility.
I am like, a prolific Up player, i can't see Darkseid as anything other in the #13-11 range right now. Like Dave said a lot of his mixups are actual bills, you don't have to hold a lot of the setups & his complete lack of a neutral game is to huge an issue for him to be high tier. In a game where footsies & neutral control is super important his slightly above average mixup & big damage ain't enough to be the Top when you characters like Adam, Manta, Supergirl, Deadshot, Fate, & others exist.