Glad Dave chimes in bc we have played he match countless times early in the games life. I think darkseid will struggle vs those that know the mu. He is probably going to be good for a surprise pick and to catch people off guard. If u don’t know the mu then you will struggle.
Not if the deadshot is smart. Seriously. @EMPEROR_KNICKS how often did you get the trade vs me? Maybe a few times in 20+ games. Only way this is happening is if u guess a beam with darkseid. But go ahead and “guess” bc it gets punished from 3/4 screen by a lot of characters
well you have to do straight shot as deadshot its a must so if I read it I can stop it.
How are we suppose to play the adam mu. Feels horrible to me
ia lasers. if the black adam is interrupting them with black magic do ia laser into regular laser it will trade with the black magic. the black adam then can do low lightning to counter that trade but then you can go back to ia lasers. Also if you expect you can beat a black magic your tele will help punish it well on whiff. Hope to god his dk doesnt glitch through your lasers and look out for mb roll. abuse your d1 into special and dont jump too much up close. with all of this in mind it should just be a 4-6 as i feel that ba still beats him however most adams will just sit there and stop black magicing and then the mu is really easy.
I feel the same. I really tone down my tendency to zone in that MU.
To be fair, I don't think Tweedy was around then lol.
Dave since the patch and all my real tourney success has been with darkseid and i use him far more than supes, and while i choked at eleague Ive beaten plenty of high level players with the character, most ppl dont play the character because hes hard , you need to grind and lab like crazy and why do that when you can pick up another, easier upper midtier char. And fate has been top 10 for awhile aside from 1 tourney where bdon placed top 8 most ppl just use fate as a counterpick and not a main.
I am aware. You are more or less saying what I was in my previous post. I still stand by my previous premise. Darkseid is mid tier. But I give you credit for being the best Darkseid player I have ever faced. I need to learn to play the match at Playing To Win's level, though.
Best she gets is a trade against his lasers if anything tbh, she definitely has to get in lol it's not that bad but saying Darkseid doesn't win the zoning war against her is just... Nope
Darkseid mu wise is very good thats why i put him upper mid so somewhere in the lower part of top 10, my point is there are chars that are really good that dont get much usage because why grind with a weirdo character like darkseid who is like a specialist character when you can play an easier character and yah i understand you made that point i guess the disagreement is you think hes mid while i think hes uppermid.
Lol how? She can shoot everytime after she ducks a laser for free.
So, just excuse the fact all your recent hot takes were wrong because 5 years ago you were sort of right about stuff everyone already agreed on?
Fate will be deadshot 2.0 mark my words . He can be played in a similar way as deadshot was pre patch.
He doesn't have 50/50s outside of strict setups though.
yeah but i meant his oppressive zoning
I don't think he's saying it should be excused. Dave has and always seems to admit when he was wrong. It's just that people always point to when others were wrong about something and tend to disregard when they were right about anything at all.
I am like, a prolific Up player, i can't see Darkseid as anything other in the #13-11 range right now. Like Dave said a lot of his mixups are actual bills, you don't have to hold a lot of the setups & his complete lack of a neutral game is to huge an issue for him to be high tier. In a game where footsies & neutral control is super important his slightly above average mixup & big damage ain't enough to be the Top when you characters like Adam, Manta, Supergirl, Deadshot, Fate, & others exist.
