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Knicks Vs P2w Where does Darkseid stand?

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Basic Stupidity

Noob
FLA_Anarquisto said:
Indeed, however, Knick's MU numbered are credited by his performance, character knowledge and his competition. He isn't just stating things for their sake and we are not just agreeing with him as sheep. We are just using his background and coming to an agreement because of our own opinions and assessments.
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again i have nothing against what you guys think is right and wrong i just felt that there should be other opinions aswell.
 
EMPEROR_KNICKS

EMPEROR_KNICKS

Master of Kombat(frauds)
Basic Stupidity said:
again i have nothing against what you guys think is right and wrong i just felt that there should be other opinions aswell.
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Im really not trying to disrespect you im just telling what i honestly think, for example you air tele 24/7 you basically only stomp as mix etc, i never said you were awful im just letting you know what i think, if i straight up said yah bro u suck llololol then yeah thats just being a dick.
 
M2Dave

M2Dave

Zoning Master
EMPEROR_KNICKS said:
What me and p2w discussed really and what he said about Darkseid and why his opinion of him was bad was because he plays deadshot there is really no other character that can zone darkseid like deadshot can, for example against fate who has the second best zoning atm darkseid can mix him, punish zoning and trade cant do that against deadshot, same against other zoners, the only other bad mus usually are beacause darkseid simply cant keep a character out long enough for trait stalls etc such as flash and wowo who get in very easily against Darkseid, or like supergirl. Personally i think hes in the lower part of the top 10 and will stay about the same next patch so hes like high mid. Also Dave you are a great player obvi, but when i watch you play darkseid you dont really use the mix, or enforce it enough when you play him, you zone way too much like you are playing zod or something but darkseid needs to mix to be effective his zoning just isnt scary without the mix.
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I agree that I need to be more offensive, but Darkseid's mix up game is overrated. You can jump out of or push block almost all of the set ups. A player who knows the Darkseid match should never stand still and take the mix up.

You are also focusing too much on Deadshot. Darkseid loses to all the top tier characters for the same reasons. He loses in footsies because he has no button that controls the mid range game. I have seen your long set against Gunshow, who beat you because he dominated you in footsies. I am certain your footsies are much better than they seem, but Darkseid has none so your opponents have constant mid range control over you. The mix ups and zoning do not compensate for such a major weakness and thus why the character is not as good as you and certain other players claim he is.

By the way, not only did Zod have better zoning than Darkseid, he also had a much better rush down game as well as footsies despite having one of the worst walk speeds in fighting game history. Darkseid is a balanced version of Zod. He is a mid tier character.
 
EMPEROR_KNICKS

EMPEROR_KNICKS

Master of Kombat(frauds)
General M2Dave said:
I agree that I need to be more offensive, but Darkseid's mix up game is overrated. You can jump out of or push block almost all of the set ups. A player who knows the Darkseid match should never stand still and take the mix up.

You are also focusing too much on Deadshot. Darkseid loses to all the top tier characters for the same reasons. He loses in footsies because he has no button that controls the mid range game. I have seen your long set against Gunshow, who beat you because he dominated you in footsies. I am certain your footsies are much better than they seem, but Darkseid has none so your opponents have constant mid range control over you. The mix ups and zoning do not compensate for such a major weakness and thus why the character is not as good as you and certain other players claim he is.

By the way, not only did Zod have better zoning than Darkseid, he also had a much better rush down game as well as footsies despite having one of the worst walk speeds in fighting game history. Darkseid is a balanced version of Zod. He is a mid tier character.
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What chars, Bladam is a 5-5, Cws a 5-5, Redhood is a 5-5, he does lose to sg and deadshot. I lost to gunshow bc i didnt really know firestorm could do all that and like 95 percent of our games went down to scrambles which he won, granted i got outplayed. Like i said if u are constantly letting people squirm on your mixups you are playing darkseid wrong you can stop all of there options like I said he is high mid.
 
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