Match-up Discussion Kinetic Balding's Cyborg matchup chart

[Kinetic Balding1]

im curious....how is cyborg/batman 6-4. Ive never played a high level cyborg before but ive been told its a solid 5-5

Cyborg zones out batman and when batman even gets close, I can grapple hook away and its back to square 1 with batman. I can grapple hook out of alot of batman's strings.

 

[HomeLee1121]

Cyborg zones out batman and when batman even gets close, I can grapple hook away and its back to square 1 with batman. I can grapple hook out of alot of batman's strings.

lol i mean i don't think that dominates the MU though. I have trait to counter your zoning to get in and if you try to grapple away i have more than enough time to catch you with a grapple before you land and you can't really IAFB me b/c batman can duck them and then i can just shoot my batclaw and take the trade. I get hit with one fireball and when you get hit by the batclaw you are in a HKD state. I played @AK L0rdoftheFLY's cyborg when he was messing around with him and pretty much when he did IAFB i would grapple, trade, you would get knocked down giving me plenty of time to get a dash or two in and start my pressure. @Relaxedstate i would really like to play this MU offline with you one day b/c i know IAFB are hard to land consistently at the right height online

 

[Kinetic Balding1]

lol i mean i don't think that dominates the MU though. I have trait to counter your zoning to get in and if you try to grapple away i have more than enough time to catch you with a grapple before you land and you can't really IAFB me b/c batman can duck them and then i can just shoot my batclaw and take the trade. I get hit with one fireball and when you get hit by the batclaw you are in a HKD state. I played @AK L0rdoftheFLY's cyborg when he was messing around with him and pretty much when he did IAFB i would grapple, trade, you would get knocked down giving me plenty of time to get a dash or two in and start my pressure. @Relaxedstate i would really like to play this MU offline with you one day b/c i know IAFB are hard to land consistently at the right height online

I dont mean all iafb. I do the regular nb and TAs and when batman gets Midscreen I can do mb air nb to push batman back. Just doing regular nbs will stuff your grapple hooks and batarangs on startup, forcing batman to try to get in.

 

[HomeLee1121]

I dont mean all iafb. I do the regular nb and TAs and when batman gets Midscreen I can do mb air nb to push batman back. Just doing regular nbs will stuff your grapple hooks and batarangs on startup, forcing batman to try to get in.

At midscreen i can just use MB batarangs then since you're at a decent distance from me. Either you take it and get blown back or block it and im at like plus a bajilion lol

 

[KHAOTIC_xWULFx]

I'm done. These whack mu explanations are worse than the numbers themselves.

Well i have a suggestion, Since there are Really only 4 Cyborg's Me, Relaxedstated, Kinetic Balding1, and K7 how about we play Theo and or Tom Brady in a Ft5 or FT10 set and we tell each other what the score was and we talk about what we did wrong or right in the MU? we could get it started today, You three are on Xbox guys can get started today, im on PSN and i have to wait til the weekend cuz thats when ill be on does it sound like a good idea so far?

 

[MrSoloLobo]

Hey Wulf, can we get a long set at WCW? I play two chars that supposedly dominate Cyborg but online it's not always so easy. I suspect I need to learn the matchup since not many people play Cyborg.

 

[KHAOTIC_xWULFx]

Hey Wulf, can we get a long set at WCW? I play two chars that supposedly dominate Cyborg but online it's not always so easy. I suspect I need to learn the matchup since not many people play Cyborg.

Yea we sure can!!! lol i know you play Batgirl but who is the other character you play who beats Cyborg? (lol is it Aquaman)

 

[MrSoloLobo]

Yea we can for sure can!!! lol i know you play Batgirl but who is the other character you play who beats Cyborg? (lol is it Aquaman)

lol yeah i play bg and aquaman. That's why I said supposedly because I know you think it's even. I don't go off of what other people say though. I play the MU for myself and learn it and adjust. Currently
I have no idea what that MU is like because you are the only Cyborg player on psn lol

 

[KHAOTIC_xWULFx]

lol yeah i play bg and aquaman. That's why I said supposedly because I know you think it's even. I don't go off of what other people say though. I play the MU for myself and learn it and adjust. Currently
I have no idea what that MU is like because you are the only Cyborg player on psn lol

lol we can run the match for sure brother

 

[Relaxedstate]

lol i mean i don't think that dominates the MU though. I have trait to counter your zoning to get in and if you try to grapple away i have more than enough time to catch you with a grapple before you land and you can't really IAFB me b/c batman can duck them and then i can just shoot my batclaw and take the trade. I get hit with one fireball and when you get hit by the batclaw you are in a HKD state. I played @AK L0rdoftheFLY's cyborg when he was messing around with him and pretty much when he did IAFB i would grapple, trade, you would get knocked down giving me plenty of time to get a dash or two in and start my pressure. @Relaxedstate i would really like to play this MU offline with you one day b/c i know IAFB are hard to land consistently at the right height online

Yeah man, lets play it out. I'll still do online, since it is mostly fine for me for executing iafb (although ocassionally they miss your head in the critically important iafb-grapple trade, so you might get a few free combos lol). The only tough part online is a few just frame grapples out of your pressure that I would be reluctant to try.

The MU is very groundfireball heavy actually, you just have to avoid dashing into missiles and you'll be fine. I personally think it is a 5-5, that can be initially tough for the batman player to adapt too. Maybe a slight lean in cyborgs favor... but probably not.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

@HomeLee1121
To be fair, you only played my pad cyborg not my hitbox FLYBORG.

I'm worthless on a pad but on a hitbox it's night and day.

I've been reading this whole thread and I see the same thing happening that happened to me when i came into the NW forums. There are certainly MU I disagree with but that happens on every MU chart.

It seems the big deal is only aquaman. I honestly don't feel it's that bad either. The difference between 5-5 and 4-6 isn't much so I can't say a specific number, but I CAN say that these guys know what they are talking about. There logic isn't really off and i have put "secret" time into cyborg for months and months. I want to see them both play theo and syknis to be sure.

 

[HomeLee1121]

@HomeLee1121
To be fair, you only played my pad cyborg not my hitbox FLYBORG.

I'm worthless on a pad but on a hitbox it's night and day.

I've been reading this whole thread and I see the same thing happening that happened to me when i came into the NW forums. There are certainly MU I disagree with but that happens on every MU chart.

It seems the big deal is only aquaman. I honestly don't feel it's that bad either. The difference between 5-5 and 4-6 isn't much so I can't say a specific number, but I CAN say that these guys know what they are talking about. There logic isn't really off and i have put "secret" time into cyborg for months and months. I want to see them both play theo and syknis to be sure.

Dont be mad i bodied you

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Dont be mad i bodied you

I'm not. Not even a little. Pad is bad

 

[Relaxedstate]

@HomeLee1121
To be fair, you only played my pad cyborg not my hitbox FLYBORG.

I'm worthless on a pad but on a hitbox it's night and day.

I've been reading this whole thread and I see the same thing happening that happened to me when i came into the NW forums. There are certainly MU I disagree with but that happens on every MU chart.

It seems the big deal is only aquaman. I honestly don't feel it's that bad either. The difference between 5-5 and 4-6 isn't much so I can't say a specific number, but I CAN say that these guys know what they are talking about. There logic isn't really off and i have put "secret" time into cyborg for months and months. I want to see them both play theo and syknis to be sure.

LONG LIVE FLYBORG!!!



PS: Hit me up on skype sometime

 

[rev0lver]

I thought about that too.. lol. Does Cyborg get like two at a time on the screen? Because it's a kombination of speed and recovery...

The point is that I can throw stuff out in between them to either help me get in better or get my trait up

 

[Vengeance135]

I hear what you're saying but I don't think you're understanifing the context of what happened here.

They got blown up for their MU's not because they just said them, but because it goes against both popular opinion of the MU as well as the top Cyborg players who have grounded out that MU as well as some of the others for over a year to oblivion. They are basically saying Cyborg IS MID TIER. If you're gonna be that bold then you better have a tank of ammo ready to back up that claim. If you come out and say something as absurd as "Aquaman/Cyborg is 5-5", then you have to provide evidence during that statement or right after because if not you will get BLOWN up". Which is exactly what happened.

Not once did they say anything like, "I've played countless hours against (insert Aquaman player) and it's 5-5. Here's what I do that others need to try. Here's what always works in the MU." or "These are the guys I've played and sets I've ran against them", etc. The most I heard was some garbage about jumping over FTD which sounds like some online battles against random Aquaman players.

That's why I used Raven for example. Its basically like me saying, "Hey guys, Raven/Bane is 2-8 because I'm pretty good and I've played some of the best Bane's as well as theee best Bane and it's 2-8 because reasons". Or even better, "Hey guys, Raven/Grundy is 5-5 because I'm pretty good and I beat Grundy consistently whenever I play him". Yea, I'd be blown up and rightfully so.

Yo I feel you for real. The blow ups get to real though right before they could answer and lets be honest bro if people started blowing you up right before you even got a chance to say anything would you even want to? I am just as curious as the next person as to why these MUs are the way they are either but this guys explanation or the tutorial video coming out by the norcal guy. I'm just saying in general people on this site just go ham before any explanation given. I do understand completely with what you are saying though

 

[Red Reaper]

The point is that I can throw stuff out in between them to either help me get in better or get my trait up

Ok. I'll take your word. I'm just theory fighting and you're not. Just throwing ideas out there...

BTW, Did you play Khaotic_Zombie at the room when we were at EVO?

 

[rev0lver]

Ok. I'll take your word. I'm just theory fighting and you're not. Just throwing ideas out there...

BTW, Did you play Khaotic_Zombie at the room when we were at EVO?

Nah, I didn't get a chance to

 

[Red Reaper]

Nah, I didn't get a chance to

That sux. Well I mentioned it for two reasons: 1. He uses Cyborg. 2. His instant airs are sometimes better than Armor's and he plays on pad.. lol.

 

[just_2swift]

Kinecting balding Cyborg is the second coming. Stop doubting him. Just because you don't understand the Mu, don't make it final. If you have trouble with the Mu, just ask questions and learn from one another.

People was doubting me when I said "batman and superman is a 5-5 Mu." People was doubting me because I wasn't a tournament player. They always running to krayzie because he is a tournament player even though Iam a wayy better player then him.

Came to find out now that people agrees and don't give me the credit for it


Online players are just as good as tournament players. Give them the same respect as you give tournament players.


Plus kinetic balding cyborg is real unique. Plays different then any cyborg I have seen.


I trust Balding. He is not stupid

i would like to see this gdlk cyborg. does he have a YouTube channel?

 

[KIllaByte]

Nice DS number. Most Cy players think cy loses. He can actually hold his own.

Both are extremely scary in the corner and cyborg controls space well mid screen.

I think this is the one match where Deathstroke's standing machine gun becomes useful-- he wins trades against ground fireball with it, and it's active for long enough to catch Cyborg on the way down from his air nova blast.

 

[4x4lo8o]

Hey Wulf, can we get a long set at WCW? I play two chars that supposedly dominate Cyborg but online it's not always so easy. I suspect I need to learn the matchup since not many people play Cyborg.

My Cyborg's not good enough for you?

 

[Phosferrax]

If zatanna tries to throw disks between my fireballs, they will get stuffed and I'm talking about just zoning with the regular fireball. If zatanna blocks a regular fireball full screen, its plus enough that I can do another fireball and recover in time to punish her teleport and send her back full screen if she tries to teleport. Ares's projectiles have much faster startup than zatanna's disks plus he has a teleport I cant punish while zoning. His axe and mb fire keep me from doing air fireballs.

This just shows that you haven't played a Zat that knows the mu. One mb ring On block at full screen is all she needs and she has the zoning advantage with scary counter zoning if you try to do anything. Even trait is enough to shut down cyborgs zoning.

 

[Ra Helios]

i would like to see this gdlk cyborg. does he have a YouTube channel?

No but I can record his videos

 

[KC H0oKsw0rds]

@Cyborg Community
Can we please get some sets with high level cyborgs uploaded to YouTube so we can see how some of these match ups actually play out?