Okay, so it’s a bad thing because you think it’s cheap, lazy, and you don’t like it. Got itIt's cheap, lazy, and I don't like it. They're trying to have their cake and eat it too. Increase the male/female ratio without putting any real effort.
Yeah it’d be cool. And you’re right, I’m not super emotionally attached to video game characters so I don’t really care about their race or gender. As long as they look cool and can do cool shit, that’s all I care about. I understand that you have a far deeper personal connection to fictional video game characters though, so I get it from that aspect I suppose.But you're a person who wants to see all your favorite characters get genderswapped, so I literally can't imagine what's it like inside your head and expect the same from you in return.
What does this even mean? “the male characters are more than the female ones”, more what?The reason the genderswaps happen IN THE FIRST PLACE is because the male characters are more than the female ones
You do realize there is alternate universes in the actual story mode of this game, right? And characters from those alternate universes also appear in the story. And a lot of them are different versions of these established characters. AND a lot of the characters in “this” universe also have been altered from their previous established lore. So yeah, it’s completely consistent with the lore.and now NRS are trying to be 'progressive', at the expense of established characters and lore.
As relative as T-1000. Actually, considering Conan kept being in movies and comics while T-1000 never appeared again, I'd call Conan more relative.Robots being women is dumb, but whatever. Ghostface is gonna be interesting.
Conan ? Why is Conan in the game ? Is he relevant ? Do young people even know who Conan is ?
More in number.What does this even mean? “the male characters are more than the female ones”, more what?
What exactly are you trying to say here? That the cyborgs we see are what-if versions and not the canon Cyborgs? That the lore of MK is that there is basically no lore? I mean, I know the in-lore reason they fucked up the established lore. I don't AGREE with it, and I don't like it. That's the whole point.You do realize there is alternate universes in the actual story mode of this game, right? And characters from those alternate universes also appear in the story. And a lot of them are different versions of these established characters. AND a lot of the characters in “this” universe also have been altered from their previous established lore. So yeah, it’s completely consistent with the lore.
Oh, right, lol… derp momentMore in number.
For MK1, all of that is technically “canon”. The female Sektor & Cyrax are most likely from the alternate universes like we saw at the end of the story mode. That entire ending was lazy writing so I agree there, but since they made all those “what if” characters real, then technically any different version of these established characters make sense.What exactly are you trying to say here? That the cyborgs we see are what-if versions and not the canon Cyborgs? That the lore of MK is that there is basically no lore? I mean, I know the in-lore reason they fucked up the established lore. I don't AGREE with it, and I don't like it. That's the whole point.
What am saying is that I am a huge Scorpion, Smoke and Nightwolf fan for instance. But I’m not huge fans of them for any specific lore reasons. I care far more about their aesthetics and their playstyle/movesets. The backstories and lore just add to the character for me. So they can change up their backstories and lore or create new ones and it wouldn’t effect me that negatively as long as it wasn’t something stupid like Zombie Liu Kang. But that’s also for aesthetic reasons because Zombie LK looks stupid as hell to me and the concept is also dumb af in my opinion. And I understand now that for you and others, you care far more deeply about these characters and their lore, so the line for y’all is different. I was thinking about it from my perspective and forgot that there’s people that really get into the lore of FG characters.If your investment in MK amounts to 'I like to see/do cool shit', you do you, but don't act surprised when some people expect something more from an IP they loved for three decades.
This is completely valid criticism. However, like all other characters in Liu Kang's new era, they're not exactly our beloved characters we always knew. Scorpion is not Hanzo for example. That's also huge. Similarly, there's essentially no cyber initiative in the new era. Instead, we have iron man suits. It's fundamentally different but I see it as another take on the characters, NOT a replacement.Making them Ironman clones removes one of the most important parts of what it meant to be a cyber ninja, that it was a horrifically grueling process. Their eyes are removed, their flesh is peeled. They aren't just people in suits, they're completely bonded with their armor.
Off topic but thats crazy to me. I always saw Triborg as Super Sektor. Because he was pretty much 100% Sektor personality wise. He was an egotistical, murderous psychopath. He embraced cybernetics to a degree more than anyone, and even founded the Tekunin in this new timeline (even if Triborg might not be canon)No, this is not the Sektor I love but I think it's more Sektor than whatever Triborg was.
Its not just lore reasons,it the active and underlying purpose of the change.Oh, right, lol… derp moment
For MK1, all of that is technically “canon”. The female Sektor & Cyrax are most likely from the alternate universes like we saw at the end of the story mode. That entire ending was lazy writing so I agree there, but since they made all those “what if” characters real, then technically any different version of these established characters make sense.
Also, I honestly think a big reason they decided to genderswap them is because of their Kameos being in the game. Of course they didn’t have to genderswap in order to redesign these characters, but I genuinely think that they’re going to be alt universe characters. Like, if they have alt skins that make them male, would you be okay with that?
What am saying is that I am a huge Scorpion, Smoke and Nightwolf fan for instance. But I’m not huge fans of them for any specific lore reasons. I care far more about their aesthetics and their playstyle/movesets. The backstories and lore just add to the character for me. So they can change up their backstories and lore or create new ones and it wouldn’t effect me that negatively as long as it wasn’t something stupid like Zombie Liu Kang. But that’s also for aesthetic reasons because Zombie LK looks stupid as hell to me and the concept is also dumb af in my opinion. And I understand now that for you and others, you care far more deeply about these characters and their lore, so the line for y’all is different. I was thinking about it from my perspective and forgot that there’s people that really get into the lore of FG characters.
Considering that Kuai Liang seems pissed with Cyrax, that gives me the impression that they're this universe's K&M, not an alt's.For MK1, all of that is technically “canon”. The female Sektor & Cyrax are most likely from the alternate universes like we saw at the end of the story mode.
I think the biggest reason is they were making a sausage fest KP two times in a row, and needed more females, but also, they know the players wanted the cyborgs. So they had two choices:Also, I honestly think a big reason they decided to genderswap them is because of their Kameos being in the game. Of course they didn’t have to genderswap in order to redesign these characters, but I genuinely think that they’re going to be alt universe characters.
No. What I would prefer would be brand new female Lin Kuei getting cyborg'd. Perhaps Sektor has one or two female over-zealous and cocky Lin Kuei warriors willing to become the prototype models and when she/they get(s) whooped at the final battle in the story, Sektor compiles the data, figures out what he did wrong and makes the 'new, improved' designs for him and Cyrax in MK2 or something. Like, imagine if he made ironman suits for the two female Lin Kuei, and in the end he goes like ... "Curses ... I didn't go far enough ... we need more than armor casings. We need to become one with the metal ... one with the machine ..." So in MK1, he and Cyrax are human (NPCs), and full-cyborg'd (playable) in MK2.Like, if they have alt skins that make them male, would you be okay with that?
S'all good. I have no problem with different opinions, my problem is that it's very tedious that when I say why I hate those changes, the first thing the usual crowd will say is something along the lines, 'no, you just hate women'.What am saying is that I am a huge Scorpion, Smoke and Nightwolf fan for instance. But I’m not huge fans of them for any specific lore reasons. I care far more about their aesthetics and their playstyle/movesets. The backstories and lore just add to the character for me. So they can change up their backstories and lore or create new ones and it wouldn’t effect me that negatively as long as it wasn’t something stupid like Zombie Liu Kang. But that’s also for aesthetic reasons because Zombie LK looks stupid as hell to me and the concept is also dumb af in my opinion. And I understand now that for you and others, you care far more deeply about these characters and their lore, so the line for y’all is different. I was thinking about it from my perspective and forgot that there’s people that really get into the lore of FG characters.
Ditto.Off topic but thats crazy to me. I always saw Triborg as Super Sektor.
While I 100% get you, we are treading a fine line as it is and this thread will start getting mass post deletes. It happens all the time once the 'known suspect target group' begins to be mentioned. So let's focus on the game breaking lore consistency.Its not just lore reasons,it the active and underlying purpose of the change.
And its 2 fold,without having any connection to mortal kombat.
1.we need more women cause the rest of the pack is 4 dudes and muh represantation and DEI.
2.the agenda thats being pushed in the real world that gender doesnt matter,male and female is one in the same,you are a women if you "feel" like it and a man if you "feek"like it,and mediums like movies and games are just one of the tools to condition people into it,with the you are not tolerant bs if you push back agains it.
These are forced ultra left bulshit tactics and ways of promoting their dumbass politics,and the sole reqson of why they are doing it,its blatnatly obvious and mk is not the only IP thats affected by it.
This is the main issue of it,the WHY its being done,it has nothing to do with lore or whats cool or not or is it an alternat univers or not.
The sole reason its being done is ideology point blank period,and thats the last thing i want to think about or connect with mortal komabt.
Interesting. To me, the fact that Triborg could switch between different characters like changing a battery, removed all the individuality and personality of each character.Off topic but thats crazy to me. I always saw Triborg as Super Sektor. Because he was pretty much 100% Sektor personality wise. He was an egotistical, murderous psychopath. He embraced cybernetics to a degree more than anyone, and even founded the Tekunin in this new timeline (even if Triborg might not be canon)
He's pretty much Sektor if he was successful lol
And right on cue!The sheer amount of ignorance and misogyny is so depressing.
so true. remember that frost was basicallly female sub, ashrahs idea was female raiden and kitana and mileena the female ninja couterparts to sub and scorpion. i dont mind the new cyrax and sektor at all, NRS had to do something about them anyway because the kameos already cover the iconic moves (new cyrax goo looks bad though). im quite excited about them and the other new chars, contrary to the anti-heroes in spandex.It literally just got leaked that Shang will be able to morph into male versions of Kitana and Mileena. The UMK3 male ninja Kitana looks pretty neat too. The irony of people making up a conspiracy theory of how video games are emasculating media while the most masculine actor of all time is sitting there portraying the most masculine character he ever played looking beefy as fuck is also very, very funny.
Again, no shade in disliking this, this specific reasoning is just genuinely funny to me in 2024. If Cyrax and Sektor got gender swapped in MKDA or something people would be screaming for the female versions to come back as skins or something for nostalgia reasons in every game after that
there are multiple geras' in that scene though.Not sure if this was said.. But being the new Era on the trailer before you see Bi-Han being changed you see Geras. Makes me wonder as he sounds like him. is it both Bi-Han and Geras? Friend @Fermbiz pointed this out and could be wrong but heres a picture from the trailer.
So basically we’ll all be censored? Sounds about right.While I 100% get you, we are treading a fine line as it is and this thread will start getting mass post deletes. It happens all the time once the 'known suspect target group' begins to be mentioned. So let's focus on the game breaking lore consistency.
Except Ashrah is not female Raiden, Kitana and Mileena are not female Sub and Scorp. They got their own unique moves, storylines, personalities, etc.so true. remember that frost was basicallly female sub, ashrahs idea was female raiden and kitana and mileena the female ninja couterparts to sub and scorpion. i dont mind the new cyrax and sektor at all, NRS had to do something about them anyway because the kameos already cover the iconic moves (new cyrax goo looks bad though). im quite excited about them and the other new chars, contrary to the anti-heroes in spandex.