I'm not describing him as a rush down character. He has problems opening people up. Throws are good, but they can be teched after a while. People will catch on you know. Up ball and Kano ball can get stuffed. I've practiced it with people. Is Scorpian's overhead 25 frames? Seems faster than that.
For sure he needs a damage buff. The damage you get in Cyber for 1 bar as a BnB pales in comparison to the majority of the cast. He could use an extra 2-3%. It wouldn't be bad damage if other characters weren't breaking life bars with full screen wall carry from mid screen or doing near 40% 1 bar BnB's.
i think this is an "airborne" thing
Do you see my point now? Look at those two sentences beside each other lol.
He doesn't need a damage buff, his damage is fine. I mean yeah 35% 1 bar midscreen isn't the greatest but at least he's not Cassie or Shinnok or Demo Sonya lol. You make up for the rest of the damage in chip from zoning with knives anyway.
There's a difference in going in to open people up and being left in a neutral game after one blocks an opponents string or poke and you want to open them up to get them off of you and continue to play the game that Cybernetic Kano wants the opponent to play.
Most pokes are negative and/or punishable so if anyone pokes you you may as well poke back and retreat. If they do a string and you block it and you know they're going to follow up you can EX Kano Ball them out of their followup into full combo back to full screen. This is something I did against Cassie players pre-patch and continue to do, usually they'd do B124 on block and if I didn't interrupt it but blocked it they were +2 because of the old bug so they thought a 7 frame D3 afterwards would stop Kano from poking them or interrupting any followup to her pressure. EX Kano Ball cancel after B124 would catch them out and give me not only a free combo but the positioning I wanted. You can use this threat throughout the rest of your match for multiple characters to make them respect you and you can get a free backdash or poke or throw or whatever. You've got to be resourceful and come up with your own "mixups" when he doens't have an overhead
I know most pokes are negative/punishable on block. I own the game. What if your opponent is actually good at this game and knows when their poke is blocked and needs to play neutral again? Then what? You just keep taking turns poking until someone lands a hit on a poke which means they can throw out a string which they have to block. Oh, wait. Kano has no overheads. Looks like they'll block it every time which means you can get them off of you unless they mess up. This is why MKX has a coin toss meta. Relying on human error to make up for no overhead is kind of silly. Sure, this will work on people who make mistakes, but there are players who know character mu's and know exactly how to handle themselves. I play people like that once a week. I can throw them, try a njp on their wakeup, but ultimately it does nothing. One has to rely on gimmicks to open people up? Since when has gimmicks been legit in a fighter? Gimmicks are what they are. You figure out what to do against them and that's it.Most pokes are negative and/or punishable so if anyone pokes you you may as well poke back and retreat. If they do a string and you block it and you know they're going to follow up you can EX Kano Ball them out of their followup into full combo back to full screen. This is something I did against Cassie players pre-patch and continue to do, usually they'd do B124 on block and if I didn't interrupt it but blocked it they were +2 because of the old bug so they thought a 7 frame D3 afterwards would stop Kano from poking them or interrupting any followup to her pressure. EX Kano Ball cancel after B124 would catch them out and give me not only a free combo but the positioning I wanted. You can use this threat throughout the rest of your match for multiple characters to make them respect you and you can get a free backdash or poke or throw or whatever. You've got to be resourceful and come up with your own "mixups" when he doens't have an overhead
kano doesnt have a ridiculous backdash for no reason. if you dont win up close, go back to zoning.
Why would you keep poking? Did you not read what I said? Poke and backdash, run away and zone again like Cybernetic Kano is supposed to. Cancel a poke into knife for hit advantage once in while.
Like @Youphemism said, if you poke on block and read they're gonna mash back you can EX Ball for full combo punish. If you land the poke you need to use the advantage in your favor. Read your opponent. Does he like to mash after you landed a D3? Full combo him. Does he always block? Grab, B31 for more pressure, backdash and zone, etc. It isn't gimmicks at all, that's actually what footsies are comprised of.
Haha ok good point. Those characters NEED it lol.
Forget I said anything. It's just not clicking with people.
It's not rushdown! Jesus. What don't you understand?
If you read the first post that started this discussion I suggested an over head string that isn't special cancelable. Maybe something that causes knockdown, so when we catch them with the over head we can get the fuck out and continue zoning. You know, something a variety of zoners have in fighting games. Like, make the f4 in 2f4 an overhead. It leads into hard knockdown and you can back dash away. It's not abusable, because 2 is a high which can be ducked and punished and you don't get combos off of it. It was just a suggestion.
Because you're basically saying why isn't he Spec Ops Sonya up close in Cyber lol. I don't know what else you expect anyone to say. Maybe you should try out Cutthroat instead.
I think most everybody likes the suggestion given all the BS in the game. But we don't have it and I think people just want to share what we do have. It would be great but I think most try to work around it and use his other strengths. Plus the Kano's I know don't want to become the K & K community crying about our char.
I wanted to make this one of my points earlier, but I felt as though my throat would have been ripped out and consumed. One the point of your edit, I agree. He's highly footsie based, but MK's footsies are different from traditional footsies. If you took cybernetic Kano and placed him in SF, or some other game he'd be just fine. He'd definitely be a top contender. This games neutral game just works differently.I think the big issue with this opening people up and footsies argument is being looked at all wrong and @Hitoshura sees that. We are using a character with great footsies yes but it's not SF or Tekken or any other fighter where stuff like that is really strong. We are playing MK and the effectiveness of footsies "and" zoning is heavily outweighed by 50/50's. These 50/50's are also extremely difficult to react to or not reactable at all. Leaving your options to a guess and that really isn't beneficial for Kano at all since our opponent doesn't have to guess most of the time vs him. He really does lack the freebies all the other characters were blessed with and in the future we are going to see him decline on the tier list once everyone catches onto that.
Edit: @LEGI0N47 is right in saying that; Bottom line is that no matter the variation Kano is IMO one of the most read and footsie based chars in the game. And it's this that honestly hurts him in this game since there's so many characters that are played with little to none of this. On top of that, those same characters out damage Kano with those mindless tools and strategies as well
And that hurts him overall. His stuff is good, we can't deny that, but he takes a lot more everything to win with if both players are at equal skill levels. We have to be on point with reads, execution, and punishment just to make the opponent respect us. If we are off slightly in any of those our game became that much harder to win. I know this sounds like general fighting game fundamentals but that's kanos game plan in a game that doesn't require or better said, requires less fundamentals to win in. Given it's current state, that's just how it is. I picked up Kano because I knew he'd teach me to be a more patient, and better player and winning with him is so much more rewarding than with a raiden, erron black, or scorpion.
