Rude
You will serve me in The Netherrealm
Yes, Nubcakes did. I know your thing is to ignore stuff you don't have an answer to, but do I literally need to go and bold his points?
Yes, Nubcakes did. I know your thing is to ignore stuff you don't have an answer to, but do I literally need to go and bold his points?
-Batman has bats 90% of the time, so saying that he can't punish B13 is BSI think Wound's vague retorts to the multitude of extremely specific MU related statements made by king, rude, MIT, and co demonstrate that he really doesn't know what he's talking about. Sure, making statements like "BM players need to backdash b13 more" and "BM players should play more lame/outzone GL" (why not if he can outzone sinestro too?) feed the illusion that he is knowledgable; but when the aforementioned people make mention of specific MU dynamics such as:
- BM can't punish a backdashed b13 (he doesn't even get free pressure because his normals don't have enough range) unless he has trait or has his back to the corner (how is BM going to get in on GL without using trait when GL has a b1/a solid d2/all those zoning options?)
- b1 can go underneath trait bats
- GL's zoning options deal more damage (mb or non-mb) and cover twice as much distance in half the time
- Even with trait, BM has a hard time punishing a zone-happy GL
- BM is at the mercy of GL's diverse oki options
- Because of GL's great walk speed, it's hard to consistently play right outside his b1 range in hopes of whiff-punishing (which can only be done with trait as well)
And his response is "gross bodied you at mlg," "GL's footsie options get punished hard," or simply ignore some of these points altogether, someone has to call bullshit.
Wound, you're the homie and all, but if you're gonna make these wild claims, back them up with quantifiable examples instead of trying to convince everyone that BM players are just that amateur...it makes sense now though, if you're able to convince enough people that BM is this unstoppable, impenetrable force, it allows you to downplay sinestro that much more and feed the narrative that you're just that much of a godsend to whichever "shitter" of a character you main.
You guys, I see the light full-circle now!
I don't think that's a fair comparison. Wouldn't you say the ranges that Sinestro has to play against GL don't have him involved in that kind of situation nearly as often as Batman? Plus bringing Sinestro vs GL into the situation only makes it worse since in everybody's head they are saying, "yeah but Sinestro can totally zone out GL and Batman can't" before you could even try and change their minds.
So, say GL shoots a straight missle. If we move to dash in, we have to block the air missile, next. Now, if we move in again, depending on the height of the air missile, we get hit with the straight missile. Lantern doesn't need that much space to MB the missile and go into lift. He also pushes back to near full-screen with traited, MB Minigun. If Batman throws Batarangs back, the trade is in Lantern's favor. Straight missile is a better projectile than Batarang.
Yeah but that tech does not get you much reward unless you get him with it in the corner. midscreen your looking at 10% damage meterless and roughly 20% using a bar. Plus if you do manage to stuff his wakeup with it, you don't really get any followup pressure. Its also not 100% reliable as its sometimes difficult to setup. Where as Doomsday can stuff all of Deathstrokes wakeups and continue pressure.
Perhaps quantifiable wasn't the right word, but the points I made are infinitely more concrete and enabling towards an honest discussion of the MU.
No, i am tired of hearing your bitching about the sinestro-batman matchup when you can't beat me in a mu that is universally acknowledged as 3-7.Perhaps quantifiable wasn't the right word, but the points I made are infinitely more concrete and enabling towards an honest discussion of the MU.
And really, talk shit over online sets? I thought you were more amiable than that...oh well, lol.
But that brings up another interesting point....If the likes of BM and Zatanna players are ok with saying the Aquaman matchup is a 4-6, then I'm sure team sinestro can as well
umm u still didn't respond to what I asked haha, i'm waiting.
If anyone is bitching, it's you man. I haven't made mention of the sinestro-batman MU for some time now and when I have, it's always been directed towards discussion and a presentation/rebuttal of my/your arguments. Seriously though, why dwell on the past? I have a hard time understanding your fascination with bringing up random shit like mlg casuals or online sets as often as you do.
Nope, bats are one of Batman's best tools. Fighting GL is not complicated, i'll break it down in three points
Once again, all the points u mentioned ppl have already mentioned legit counters to. You are completely disregarding the fact that batman doesn't beat him in any assest of the fight (rush down, zoning, footsies, air to air, etc.). I think u are being very oblivious to the obvious tbh haha. A character being "simple" doesn't make it easy to approach them. Have u seen high lvl ryu play before from daigo? Tbh the only reason characters typically give GL issues is interactables, those get turned off and MMH, zod, and etc. Going to have some issues.
Batman goes even with him in footsies. Bats and GL's B1 are evenly matched in terms of footsie control and Batman DEFINITELY has better pressure up close. GL probably has a slight edge in zoning.
Better up close with no real mixups that can't be blocked......... Yeah I am done haha.
Right, nobody has ever been hit by Batman up close. Batman actually has a similar guessing game to Sinestro with trait. He either keeps going for block pressure or he reads that the opponent will try to get out and then releases bats into a full punish. And none of this is taking into account the basic Injustice mixup of throw or MB F3, which fools most people.
I am sorry, but u sounding foolish now. No one is going to take ur statements seriously unless u say something that isn't already known. U pretty much just regurgitating the same info. Also throws are hella easy to tech in this game lol.
except this guessing game you speak of ceases to exist vs characters with decent d1's/d2's and regular to small sized hit boxes because, unlike your trait which tracks much better and more quickly than BM's trait (and it's + on block too, right? BM doesn't even get that luxury) most characters (sinestro included) can simply duck the trait follow up and freely d1 or d2. The only time that bats can actually catch counterpoking is when he has 2 or more bats, which doesn't happen too often since that means batman has to spend more time in the neutral without bats...watch, next thing you're gonna tell us is that BM has comparable footsies to guys like GL/Sinestro without trait, lol.
Yeah but the difference is Batman loses his trait when he is pushblocked or hit, Sinestro doesn't. Also Sinestro has a better overhead/low mixup than Batman, Batman only has F3 or B1.
