It doesn't matter if you play defensive. GL never has to come to you. You always have to come to GL, why does Batman's defense matter if he always has to get in on GL?
To be fair, I can see why the argument is going on. If you're on the list of being able to backdash and punish B13, then it's worth having the discussion, in my opinion. And it's not a measly one either: it will probably be 40% with a bar or at worst into that faux crossup/crossup setup off of the grapple. It's certainly a big factor, and even I thought it was bad for GL until I had fully explored the depth of GL's toolset. I do think that it's a mistake to write off GL and his footsie game as 1-dimensional; it stints matchup talk and is too often run to as an argument against Lantern.
Being able to punish B13 doesn't determine the entire matchup number. That's one of 100 things about the matchup
I think we're saying the same thing in different ways.
Because his footsie options get punished hard. Again, its an equal guessing game but there is no way GL wins in that situation.
) feed the illusion that he is knowledgable; but when the aforementioned people make mention of specific MU dynamics such as:
#YEEEEAAAPP and tbh we can throw the numbers out and just compare the tools and it isn't hard to see that GL has more advantages haha. The fact that slips (a FG veteran) can see it without even playing the two characters says it all.I think Wound's vague retorts to the multitude of extremely specific MU related statements made by king, rude, MIT, and co demonstrate that he really doesn't know what he's talking about. Sure, making statements like "BM players need to backdash b13 more" and "BM players should play more lame/outzone GL" (why not if he can outzone sinestro too?
- BM can't punish a backdashed b13 (he doesn't even get free pressure because his normals don't have enough range) unless he has trait or has his back to the corner (how is BM going to get in on GL without using trait when GL has a b1/a solid d2/all those zoning options?)
- b1 can go underneath trait bats
- GL's zoning options deal more damage (mb or non-mb) and cover twice as much distance in half the time
- Even with trait, BM has a hard time punishing a zone-happy GL
- BM is at the mercy of GL's diverse oki options
- Because of GL's great walk speed, it's hard to consistently play right outside his b1 range in hopes of whiff-punishing (which can only be done with trait as well)
And his response is "gross bodied you at mlg," "GL's footsie options get punished hard," or simply ignore some of these points altogether, someone has to call bullshit.
Wound, you're the homie and all, but if you're gonna make these wild claims, back them up with quantifiable examples instead of trying to convince everyone that BM players are just that amateur...it makes sense now though, if you're able to convince enough people that BM is this unstoppable, impenetrable force, it allows you to downplay sinestro that much more and feed the narrative that you're just that much of a godsend to whichever "shitter" of a character you main.
You guys, I see the light full-circle now!
WoundCowboy losing to me in tournaments is literally the only reason he upplays Batman a ridiculous amount. I bet any money if I never played Batman, Wound would probably have Batman outside of top 15 and as a 6-4 matchup in Sinestro's favor....it makes sense now though, if you're able to convince enough people that BM is this unstoppable, impenetrable force, it allows you to downplay sinestro that much more and feed the narrative that you're just that much of a godsend to whichever "shitter" of a character you main.
You guys, I see the light full-circle now!
So it's all good I guess. Maybe I'll go easy on him next we play so he doesn't get the wrong impression of Batman lmao
Yeah you were rightRemember when you were arguing with me so hard that DD destroys GL a long time ago
Any time Wound speaks his mind we get juice. That's why he is so awesome.
Lol if i based my opinion of batman off of how our sets go now, i would think that he sucks.WoundCowboy losing to me in tournaments is literally the only reason he upplays Batman a ridiculous amount. I bet any money if I never played Batman, Wound would probably have Batman outside of top 15 and as a 6-4 matchup in Sinestro's favor.
Pretend I never even played Injustice:
Batman would be missing around 13 Top 8's and Wound would have never lost to a Batman in the history of Injustice's release. I'm pretty sure the only reason he thinks Batman is so good is because me
You gave nothing that is quantifiable lol. And yea, i'll say it: i am a better player than you. You can't beat me in a 7-3 mu with AQUAFUCKINMAN. Batman isn't your problem.I think Wound's vague retorts to the multitude of extremely specific MU related statements made by king, rude, MIT, and co demonstrate that he really doesn't know what he's talking about. Sure, making statements like "BM players need to backdash b13 more" and "BM players should play more lame/outzone GL" (why not if he can outzone sinestro too?
- BM can't punish a backdashed b13 (he doesn't even get free pressure because his normals don't have enough range) unless he has trait or has his back to the corner (how is BM going to get in on GL without using trait when GL has a b1/a solid d2/all those zoning options?)
- b1 can go underneath trait bats
- GL's zoning options deal more damage (mb or non-mb) and cover twice as much distance in half the time
- Even with trait, BM has a hard time punishing a zone-happy GL
- BM is at the mercy of GL's diverse oki options
- Because of GL's great walk speed, it's hard to consistently play right outside his b1 range in hopes of whiff-punishing (which can only be done with trait as well)
And his response is "gross bodied you at mlg," "GL's footsie options get punished hard," or simply ignore some of these points altogether, someone has to call bullshit.
Wound, you're the homie and all, but if you're gonna make these wild claims, back them up with quantifiable examples instead of trying to convince everyone that BM players are just that amateur...it makes sense now though, if you're able to convince enough people that BM is this unstoppable, impenetrable force, it allows you to downplay sinestro that much more and feed the narrative that you're just that much of a godsend to whichever "shitter" of a character you main.
You guys, I see the light full-circle now!
Well you haven't played me since SCR so..... Yeah lol. And Sinestro vs Batman at SCR had to be 7-3 Sinestros favor! If Sinestro has trait what is Batman supposed to do?? If I do anything bedsides throw I get pushblocked and lose 20% health and get sent full screen. And you could do it 3 times! Ridiculous. So I don't want to hear it.
I've always thought he was good. And no, we have played in multiple sets online since then. I am winning without using the tech.
Make a GL mu chart.
Modest.
