IrishMantis
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The only ones u am convinced is Kobu Tanya, Flamefist Kang and Kung Lao, maybe Dvorah from what I played.
This for SD btw
This for SD btw
Online taints the perception of this MU. Getting between her rekka's is a real cock sucker when there's delay. This is why people feel it's bad. I know I sometimes feel I have to save and use armor to get out, and then you have no meter. It can really suck online.
Cage absolutely cannot zone with fireballs against Kobu Tanya if she has a bar. She can throw EX tonfa toss on reaction and the trade with fireball allows her to get a huge combo.
Yeah I think them 2 variations and Kobu Tanya are definite bad match ups for cage in general the rest depend on the variation and are debatable
That is too outdated, I have very different numbers now
Yeah cage beats balanced kenshi for sure. I'd also say he is 4-6 vs grandmaster and even with cryo. Those are just the characters I have the knowledge to speak on. I'd say it's slightly out dated.
See SZ D4 and B2 out footsie JCs D4 F3, JC jump is really bad if Sub clone in the corner your force to just block as jumping is not an option I'm not sold on this in JCs favour yet
Yeah, but if you duck her tonfa you can throw a fireball and recover in time to block her next projectile, which is why I said "if you're careful".
I have to slightly disagree with some of these. Cassie definitely beats SDJC. Kotal I feel wins...just slightly. Dvorah, Lao (probably), Ermac are even Stevens.Okay I just did an on the spot MU chart for SD as how I'm feeling now, good chance a lot is wrong and I'm still not sure on certain mu's the one I put ?? On means I have really no idea
I'm sure there is some controversial stuff here but that's the fun ay
In no order
Stunt Double Mu
Vs Tanya Kobu 4-6
Vs Kotal 6-4
Vs Erron Black 5-5 (6-4 potentially)
Vs Kitana 6-4
Vs Mileana 5-5 (6-4 potentially)
Vs Tremor 6-4 (Crystalline 5-5)
Vs Sub Zero GM 5-5
Vs Scorpion 6-4
Vs Cassie 5-5
Vs Reptile 5-5
Vs Kano 5-5 ( I think Cyber could beat JC but since I only played it online and other SD players disagreed I leave at 5-5)
Vs Liu Kang 4-6 (6-4 Dualist)
Vs F/T 6-4
Vs Ermac 6-4
Vs Raiden 6-4
Vs Takada 5-5?
Vs Quan Chi 5-5
Vs Jax 5-5 (potentially 4-6)
Vs Shinnok 4-6 (potentially 5-5)
Vs Kung Lao 4-6
Vs Predator 5-5
Vs Jaqcui full auto 5-5 (the rest 6-4)
Vs Goro 6-4
Vs Jason 7-3
Vs Sonya 5-5
Vs Dvorah 4-6 (potentially 5-5)
Vs Kenshi 6-4
Kung Jin 5-5?
I feel ant char that can has better and faster Footsies tools that give using D4 or F3 a problem.
Also accompanying the chars that force JC to use his biggest weakness, to jump.
So basically any char that can keep SD out and can give him trouble up close since he had no room to play his biggest strength the neutral game
SD zoning can work with him or against him, as when you hit them with a MSK you are knocking them away which works good against Cassie and Kotal but against a char like Lui Ksng you are just knocking them away so they can zone you again
Again don't take this as official I could change it next week lol
Going by my list He has a lot of winning MUs
Well I cant really argue on Cassie since I have yet too play a really good one
and you where fast
I personally think Ermac is probably 5-5 based on my relatively short time with him. His 50-50's just hurt so much that it often comes down to just guessing right. He removes an element of skill in his + frame situations, and his footsies are tricky but he can keep up with Cage imo.Well I cant really argue on Cassie since I have yet too play a really good one
But I have played a lot off Kotal including @Crathen who is one of EUs best and best Kotal I played, I feel he can out zone Kotal easy enough if your playing Against Wargod you full combo punish both his Low and OH, but you should not be going toe to toe with Kotal, I always say atleast outside J1 range at all times, the other 2 variation are similar plus you can crush them in the corner
Dvorah I'm not sure either , but j was waiting for you to quote me on the Kotal mu
Foxy even saids KL beats all JC variations
You could be right on Ermac @Phosferrax what's your take on the mu?
Gotcha
You can only keep Kotal out for so long. Then you're in the corner against a character with superior normals and footsies. That's what it really comes down to. You cant zone the dude. SDJC's greenballs are shit and can be absorbed, and you wont be able to pull out mimics fast enough to zone. Kotal can smother Cage.Well I cant really argue on Cassie since I have yet too play a really good one
But I have played a lot off Kotal including @Crathen who is one of EUs best and best Kotal I played, I feel he can out zone Kotal easy enough if your playing Against Wargod you full combo punish both his Low and OH, but you should not be going toe to toe with Kotal, I always say atleast outside J1 range at all times, the other 2 variation are similar plus you can crush them in the corner
Dvorah I'm not sure either , but j was waiting for you to quote me on the Kotal mu
Foxy even saids KL beats all JC variations
You could be right on Ermac @Phosferrax what's your take on the mu?
The J2 is a problem, but it's not like he gets a free mixup beyond a throw.
Maybe I should state Wargod in the MU maybe since I wouldn't be too sure on the Sun God, but for Wargod You can Fuzzy all of his mix ups and full combo punish both Kotals options, Kotals Staggers are crazy but as you say he cant stagger forever and eventually he's going have to comit to something, even if he does stagger EX SK if you got the meter if it's hits take out the clones and it's time for him get in, I know you also co main Kotal and I respect that you could be right, or maybe you speaking about SunGodwhich I don't have too much exp with, I'm just going with my Eco with the Wargod which doesn't mean I'm right I think DJA also thinks SD beats Kotal , but you never know I'll could be back soon saying you where right along
He gets staggers, throws, + frames. Jump back 2 is so ridiculously stupid that it shuts down any sort of approach.
I agree with all of them, except this one above
Liu's zoning absolutely destroys Cage's, I dunno what you mean about that. I'd say their pressure is both pretty even but Liu can bully Cage with B2 as soon as he gets within F3 range then go back to fireball zoning. It is a REALLY difficult MU for Cage and you have to play on point, Cage has to work to get in and also gets out-footsies by B2. Even though it isn't very damaging, it then opens you up for his F4 which is where it really gets tricky. I dunno about 3-7 but its a hard 4-6 at the least.I agree with all of them, except this one above
Why is this 3-7 ?
Cage beat all options of liu's armors, and liu's zooning can't beat cage.. Is this because of his armor breaker?and true blockstrings?
Well, I don't think Cage can beat Liu's zoning at all, everything I tried until now never worked. From full screen I can only walk in slowly, blocking low everytime; jumping over is not an option since liu can just use dragon kick, or do a proper anti air starter.I agree with all of them, except this one above
Why is this 3-7 ?
Cage beat all options of liu's armors, and liu's zooning can't beat cage.. Is this because of his armor breaker?and true blockstrings?