Jax General Discussion

[freerf245]

Here what i would recommend for jax buffs

-arms heat up should requiere only 1 bar for full heat
-increase jax dmg slighly on his overhead strings and low example f2 + grab or increase the dmg buff from the heated arms
-make d12 link into gotcha
-reduce the delay for the bf2 to be active
-reduce the speed wich jax lose his heat for his arm
-give at least one good tick throw to jax other than d1 and d3 when baraka has 12 or even more
-make f41 a mid so the move isnt completly useless , or give F4 a tick throw with the cmd grab

the other variation is completly useless cause you can OS every single stance moves offline and even full combo punish.

He's fine.

 

[Bobby B.]

Here what i would recommend for jax buffs

-arms heat up should requiere only 1 bar for full heat
-increase jax dmg slighly on his overhead strings and low example f2 + grab or increase the dmg buff from the heated arms
-make d12 link into gotcha
-reduce the delay for the bf2 to be active
-reduce the speed wich jax lose his heat for his arm
-give at least one good tick throw to jax other than d1 and d3 when baraka has 12 or even more
-make f41 a mid so the move isnt completly useless , or give F4 a tick throw with the cmd grab

the other variation is completly useless cause you can OS every single stance moves offline and even full combo punish.

A bad matchup is a bad matchup but Jax is a solid A tier character right now and doesn't need changes. And even though I mainly use Hunker Down, Grinnin' Barrett is not at all useless; it offers an anti zoning tool and combo potential (30% optimal, 27% easier) that Hunker down doesn't have, which obviously means punishing your opponent for more damage and forcing them to use meter to breakaway. Not to mention the BNB combo is super hit-confirmable.

 

[MrArcher15]

Does anybody know whos the best secondary character to cover Jaxs bad matchups? I really dont want to resort to having to using scorpion, i cant stand that character. Maybe Geras? Or Sub for anti zoning

I’ve honestly been thinking geras cuz like you I can’t stand scorpion

 

[MrArcher15]

I also agree Jax doesn’t need changes we are blessed that our only real weakness are very strong zoners. It’d be nice to have more tick throws but I stagger into my cmd grabs anyways.

 

[ATIWAB]

bruh noooooooooooo! Can someone else please confirm this as well, im in disbelief. Cuz lmao ima have to drop my boy thats a big issue to me. They took away the tick options and the ones we do have don't even work? Lmao. Thank you so much for showing me proof bro, I really had no idea. Clearly I can no longer be in this conversation since you know of things like this.

It's almost like I told you three weeks ago the command grab sucked since the patch. Big think.

What's funny tho is how nobody here seems to have realized yet you can cancel your 13 frame S4 into QG on hit and it's 0 on block, so you can punish stupid shit like Sub's slide with S4-DBF1 243KB for 41%.

secret tech pls do not distribute

 

[McCauley1189]

It's almost like I told you three weeks ago the command grab sucked since the patch. Big think.

What's funny tho is how nobody here seems to have realized yet you can cancel your 13 frame S4 into QG on hit and it's 0 on block, so you can punish stupid shit like Sub's slide with S4-DBF1 243KB for 41%.

secret tech pls do not distribute

Noob question, but what is S4 ?

 

[ATIWAB]

Noob question, but what is S4 ?

Standing 4/Neutral 4/not-pressing-any-directions 4

 

[McCauley1189]

Standing 4/Neutral 4/not-pressing-any-directions 4

Yea I use 4 as an extra hit when I get the b2 kb launcher and go into the QG from that. But it sucks to burn meter and not get the kb for the grab. Offline i don’t have a problem getting it 2/3 times but online it’s a lot harder. Or maybe just my nerves

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

Weakness? Zoning.

Answer: Jade/Sub/Scorpion/Erron Black/Raiden.

They all say fuck you to zoners.

 

[deathstroke187]

He's fine.

oh really ? please wake me up when he wins anything in any majors. its even going to be worst for him from now on. I could make a video exposing Jax at how much hes actualy not that good.

Jax is just like the mkx version is overrated and wont win shit and he will eventually get a random nerf that will kill him completly by the "great" Paulo

 

[freerf245]

oh really ? please wake me up when he wins anything in any majors. its even going to be worst for him from now on. I could make a video exposing Jax at how much hes actualy not that good.

Jax is just like the mkx version is overrated and wont win shit and he will eventually get a random nerf that will kill him completly by the "great" Paulo

He struggles a little vs the top tiers right now, but they are gonna get toned down. Just because you are struggling with him doesn’t mean we should break the character so he gets nerfed even harder in the future. Yes, you are right, his position right now is very similar to how he was in Mkx. He’s strong, but he’s being overlooked because there are stronger characters. I’d rather have to work a little harder than have a broken character. Almost all the buffs you suggested would make him retarded.

 

[deathstroke187]

He struggles a little vs the top tiers right now, but they are gonna get toned down. Just because you are struggling with him doesn’t mean we should break the character so he gets nerfed even harder in the future. Yes, you are right, his position right now is very similar to how he was in Mkx. He’s strong, but he’s being overlooked because there are stronger characters. I’d rather have to work a little harder than have a broken character. Almost all the buffs you suggested would make him (soap bar in my mouth).

my buffs wouldnt make him broke , plus everything you said dont mean anything . results does ,jax isnt good end of story i dont care whatever anyone says they didnt labbed him or proven me wrong yet. hes not low tier but hes sure not top 10

 

[MrArcher15]

 

[ATIWAB]

Yea I use 4 as an extra hit when I get the b2 kb launcher and go into the QG from that. But it sucks to burn meter and not get the kb for the grab. Offline i don’t have a problem getting it 2/3 times but online it’s a lot harder. Or maybe just my nerves

Off the B2 I just S4 into Amp Burning Hammer for a guaranteed 325. Doubling up the KBs with Quad Grab off B2 only does 47%ish. S4 into Quad Grab KB alone does 41%. It's a waste of your KB imo.

I posted the B2KB 4 QG KB recently on YT but even mentioned there I thought it was impractical and shouldn't do it. Lol.

 

[fredchuckdave]

Big D Vs Beyond Toxin (Kabal)

 

[freerf245]

BF2 MB IS SAFE IN HUNKER DOWN???? Nvm Hunker Down > Grinnin Barret

 

[MrArcher15]

BF2 MB IS SAFE IN HUNKER DOWN???? Nvm Hunker Down > Grinnin Barret

Is it not safe in grinning Barrett? Oh yeah it’s completely different lmao

 

[ATIWAB]

Big D Vs Beyond Toxin (Kabal)

This really does point out Jax's limitations in neutral with HD variation. Basically everything is F2 mix, F33, or jump-in, which gets easy to predict and once Flawless Block use starts getting more widespread he's going to be considered much lower tier IMO.

Notice he only used Quad Grab three times in the entire set and it wasn't even fully extended any time, just did it off a D12 in the corner once for 70, then raw the other two times for 70 and 120. It's a weak ass part of his kit because it's too risky to cancel into without a guaranteed block confirm or S4 hit confirm, and hard to make either of those confirms in time online, but easy to whiff punish if you accidentally up inputting it on an incompatible hit confirm. It's barely even reasonably considered a "tick throw" at this point, on two occasions in the match he could've done literally the same thing with 1+3 throw and gotten more damage.

BF2 MB IS SAFE IN HUNKER DOWN???? Nvm Hunker Down > Grinnin Barret

Yeah, but the actual output on it is... weird.

Depending on your distance and when/how many times you hit your R1 it sometimes will totally skip the first hit (the mid) and go straight to the throw, which means it can get ducked/low profiled and punished. If they do block the mid, you get pushed away too far for the throw to connect on Amp.

I'm not a big fan of it because of the inconsistency, but it's safe on block, yeah.

 

[MrArcher15]

This really does point out Jax's limitations in neutral with HD variation. Basically everything is F2 mix, F33, or jump-in, which gets easy to predict and once Flawless Block use starts getting more widespread he's going to be considered much lower tier IMO.

Notice he only used Quad Grab three times in the entire set and it wasn't even fully extended any time, just did it off a D12 in the corner once for 70, then raw the other two times for 70 and 120. It's a weak ass part of his kit because it's too risky to cancel into without a guaranteed block confirm or S4 hit confirm, and hard to make either of those confirms in time online, but easy to whiff punish if you accidentally up inputting it on an incompatible hit confirm. It's barely even reasonably considered a "tick throw" at this point, on two occasions in the match he could've done literally the same thing with 1+3 throw and gotten more damage.



Yeah, but the actual output on it is... weird.

Depending on your distance and when/how many times you hit your R1 it sometimes will totally skip the first hit (the mid) and go straight to the throw, which means it can get ducked/low profiled and punished. If they do block the mid, you get pushed away too far for the throw to connect on Amp.

I'm not a big fan of it because of the inconsistency, but it's safe on block, yeah.

Watch gunshow

 

[ATIWAB]

Watch gunshow

You can keep parroting the "hurr watch GunShow" shit every time I point out Quad Grab is weak, but GunShow barely uses it either, and when he does it's just to get the KB damage and then rarely will bother with it again.

If I say "D'vorah is bad" and you say "lol watch SonicFox vs. Scar runback" it doesn't mean D'Vorah is suddenly good or that her kit doesn't have problems.

Here, buddy. You watch GunShow.

22 minutes against RedRaptor, uses Quad Grab 3 times total, twice for the KB and once just mis-times it also trying to get the KB. In no game does he hit the KB and then make any attempt to use Quad Grab again afterwards. It isn't worth the bars outside of the KB and isn't good since they took away all the tick options. You can also get poked out of it even on the D1 block confirm.

 

[MrArcher15]

You can keep parroting the "hurr watch GunShow" shit every time I point out Quad Grab is weak, but GunShow barely uses it either, and when he does it's just to get the KB damage and then rarely will bother with it again.

If I say "D'vorah is bad" and you say "lol watch SonicFox vs. Scar runback" it doesn't mean D'Vorah is suddenly good or that her kit doesn't have problems.

Here, buddy. You watch GunShow.

22 minutes against RedRaptor, uses Quad Grab 3 times total, twice for the KB and once just mis-times it also trying to get the KB. In no game does he hit the KB and then make any attempt to use Quad Grab again afterwards. It isn't worth the bars outside of the KB and isn't good since they took away all the tick options. You can also get poked out of it even on the D1 block confirm.

You need to relax don’t know why you’re so defensive. You said that he will be low tier and I highly disagree. You can definitely mix well and I linked gunshow because I believe he’s the best at showing jax’s skillset. Yes we don’t have tic options but in my opinion because we can stagger into it it works fine. Lighten up man.
Edit: you said lower tier, regardless too many people on this sub are becoming really down on Jax when they shouldn’t be

 

[ATIWAB]

You need to relax don’t know why you’re so defensive. You said that he will be low tier and I highly disagree. You can definitely mix well and I linked gunshow because I believe he’s the best at showing jax’s skillset. Yes we don’t have tic options but in my opinion because we can stagger into it it works fine. Lighten up man.

He's going to be low-tier when people start using Flawless Block more regularly because of how predictable and easy to FB his F2 setups and his F33 are, yes.

All slow strings with high active frames like that are going to get labbed to death and full punished on reaction with FB a year into this game. Being able to mix into his unsafe low off the F2 isn't going to redeem that.

"You need to relax don't know why you're defensive"

?? This is in your head. I replied with facts about QG and then used your own example of a skilled Jax player to corroborate them. There's nothing "defensive" or "unrelaxed" about it. Don't be so sensitive.

 

[MrArcher15]

He's going to be low-tier when people start using Flawless Block more regularly because of how predictable and easy to FB his F2 setups and his F33 are, yes.

All slow strings with high active frames like that are going to get labbed to death and full punished on reaction with FB a year into this game. Being able to mix into his unsafe low off the F2 isn't going to redeem that.

"You need to relax don't know why you're defensive"

?? This is in your head. I replied with facts about QG and then used your own example of a skilled Jax player to corroborate them. There's nothing "defensive" or "unrelaxed" about it. Don't be so sensitive.

Moment I read “here buddy you watch gunshow” I knew you felt some type of way lmao, don’t act like you didn’t. Anytime a player flawless blocks me they eat a throw or a command grab next time the situation arises. They are actually at as much risk for flawless blocking as we are for using a string that can be flawless blocked imo. Didn’t want to put words in your mouth but if you think he will be low tier I highly disagree, I guess time will tell

 

[ATIWAB]

Moment I read “here buddy you watch gunshow” I knew you felt some type of way lmao, don’t act like you didn’t. Anytime a player flawless blocks me they eat a throw or a command grab next time the situation arises. They are actually at as much risk for flawless blocking as we are for using a string that can be flawless blocked imo. Didn’t want to put words in your mouth but if you think he will be low tier I highly disagree, I guess time will tell

"as soon as I saw you using my example as a counter-point I got sensitive and assumed you were being defensive because I assume all contrary opinions are conflict"

How's your relationship with your dad?

 

[MrArcher15]

"as soon as I saw you using my example as a counter-point I got sensitive and assumed you were being defensive because I assume all contrary opinions are conflict"

How's your relationship with your dad?

Lmao please just don’t delete/edit any of this