Poser Paul
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I have no problem with grandmaster while using Hw and PU
Play a legit sub zero and you will hate hw for the mu. Pu is best bet but still play a good sub and you will hate the matchup
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I have played a fair amount of noob-legit subs. I still don't think it's as hard as everyone thinks it is. I feel Liu kang and kano are harder
I rly don't think its that much for jax. At least wrestler or pumped up. U can parry every wave he throws for little dmg buff and its very risky to throw UB coz kotals ji1 has crazy range. i6 d1 and d4 gets u away from pressure nicely I u know what ur doing. War god is different thing coz he has no parry. But stil I dont see hw winning kotal never 7-3
I don't have too many problems with Kano, but I agree completely about Sub and Kang. Jax has more than enough armor to deal with Sub's Ice Clone, and GP and Air GP destroy it in PU.
Grandmaster is actually jax's worst match up.
If anything, it's a 6-4 in gms favor but definitely not his worst match up
You'd be surprised when you play a good Grandmaster.
Lol so reading isn't your strong point ey- my first sentence was "if sub has you in the corner" key word being "if" so your statement about the match doesnt start in the corner is invalid. So if you didn't get the fact that it was an example of a situation and the options available then i really don't wanna waste my time going into detail.
Your rationale for why the matchup is not in Jax's favor began and ended with what happens when GM has Jax in the corner, hence my comment.
Yup and my tone changed after your response which IMO wasn't too polite and was full of assumptions. I am not implying that every jax player here is a scrub lol never did. I just know from experience that a lot of tymers don't actually know what they are talking about. Also grandmaster is deff not mid tier, he is with 100% certainty above that.
subs corner game against Scorpion gets him caught in the clone everytime he tries to TP
same for almost everyone
same for absolutely everyone
thats simply not true, if you block the overhead you can punish it with ex Dash into combo. This is an advantage Jax has that other characters don't, some can't punish at all, even fewer into combo, and almost none if any for the damage that Jax can get here
same for everyone except Lao and Kotal, and only at situational ranges
Same for everyone except DVorah Kung Jin and Takeda, also known as his losing match ups
Once again this applies to almost everyone, but regardless I mean, he can only do this on a hard read, no reaction... If reads like this can be used to determine a bad MU, why aren't you doing the same? If you read ex Iceball you can armor through it into combo, hell why aren't you making reads like this and armor through the D4 clone checks you claim wreck you? Sub gets under 25% off a ex Iceball read, what's the numbers on ex OHDP opener again? Sounds like u are just bein outplayed
An equally logical alternative to the conclusion you've come to, is that your Jax simply isn't as good as his or YOU don't know the match up. In fact going off ur posts I'd say it's the more logical conclusion
I gave an extreme example to show that jax's options are limited in that situation. But if i just said its bad because jax can't get in, it would have been boring. Your right you can overhead dp his overhead even if he hides behind a clone i completely didn't think of that even tho i do it but that is COMPLETELY dependant on having meter in the first place.
Well I mean, so is armouring. Getting out in the corner with no meter is bad for anyone against anyone. And as far as specifically against Subgoes, there's like a select few characters who can get out of the corner without using meter after blocking an OH. Once again, I fail to see how this is a Jax specific weakness
25f start up on rocket, 21f start up on ex Iceball. Being EXTREMELY generous and saying you can react and recognise the LAW in 16f, and input your ex Iceball within 2f of that point, that leaves the Law coming out 14f earlier than your Iceball. At full screen it is barely possible, if you were absolutely expecting it, so I guess replace my "hard read" statement with "soft read - situationally".
chill I'm not saying your a bad player man, nothing personal here at all. I don't know anything about u, just saying that the logic you are using works both ways, and actually works against u if anything, so you should probably step away from that
I mean I made an extremely productive comment explaining with logic and facts the ways that the argument u are using isn't supporting yur point of view very well. Why is it on me to prove that this is a bad match up? I didn't make any statement either way here, I don't fully have an opinion yet I'm just reading the discussion open to be swayed either way from people who know both characters better than I. I'd say it's on you to support your statements with proper logic, because as it stands the guy with the opposing view is making a lot more sense than you and I'm just pointing out why, all your reasoning as to why Sub is a bad match up applies to almost everybody, some of it doesn't actually apply to Jax. I'm just asking for some logic as to why this is such a bad match up for JAX specifically as YOU claimed, not asking what Subs generic strengths are globally because I already know that and that's basically all Uve given
So is that the actual frame data for the ex iceball? It doesn't matter if the jax player shoots first the ex iceball absorbs jax's projectiles, i am sure you forgot that simple fact.
I didn't forget that at all. I'll explain againThe frame data for exIceball on start up is 21f, hence if you react and recognise the LAW within 16f and input yur special ex special within 2 frames of that point, that leaves 7f on the rocket, thus 14f before the Iceball comes out to absorb it. Take just a second to read and u will understand this time.
Actually removing misinformation from the equation is extremely productive towards reaching a conclusion. I'm also analysing both yours and his statements as im a neutral reader without a definitive opinion here, however only one of you is making no sense, so I'm asking you to explain how your statements are applicable to Jax and not everyone, or give further logic, and you haven't been able to do either
I mean, your reason that Jax struggles to get in because of D4 clone, and absolutely everythi else you had given, is literally applicable to practically every character in the game besides 3 or 4. Are you saying everyone has bad match ups against GM? The character is balanced around defensive play hence why his highest damage combo in the neutral is like 30% for a bar
This logic is so fucking bad. You are saying its a bad match up because of A,B&C. I am not of the opinion that it's a good or a bad match up, but I notice that AB&C are massively flawed / flatly incorrect statements, so what I'm responsei with is " I don't disagree with your overall statement (you might possibly be right), but the logic you are using does nothin to support ur argument and if anything actually hurts your perspective". Stop bein so mad, if y are so certain and convinced of this Bri a bad match up for Jax specifically more so than the entire cast, than u culd surely provide something other than statements about subs play universally
Read to me like @Undergroundepict disagreed with u and had some pretty valid logic Opposing , but whatever. Strengths in numbers without supporting logic trumps that I guess
Im done with that troll. But can we set up a king of the briggs xbone version?
hmm sure but idk if i should make a duplicate thread....or just make an xbox section under the psn one