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That move is pretty bs if you think about it, for all the risk involved using hellfire it should do more damage or grant you at least some frame advantage
That move is pretty bs if you think about it, for all the risk involved using hellfire it should do more damage or grant you at least some frame advantage
Yeah at full screen it is awesome because spear is a really good aa at that range it obviously isn't as risky.
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They most certainly are not
12 frames? kung lao has spin, cage has 8 frame standing 1 and b3 which crazy hitbox beating jumpkicks, smoke has 9 frame standing 2 beating jumpkicks as well, sonya sektor has 6 frame and 7 frame anti air, jax has 8 frame standing 1 and gothca grab, liu kang ahs 8 frame standing 2.
You also have to look at what those other characters get from their AA. They all get combos and perhaps they have faster normals, but Scorpion can get a 30%+ combo AND a vortex setup on all of his AA options.
The thing is most of the characters that give scorpion a hard time don't really have to jump at him. If anything in matches against characters like cage and sonya he has to AA with spear from far to mid range if they decide to try to jump a hellfire. Characters like kabal, kitana and ect. don't even really need to risk jumping in against scorpion because hellfire isn't a threat. Once they get into footsie range they pretty much dominate scorpion. In kabals case all he has to do is get close. All this is besides the fact that his AA's are pretty slow compared to other characters. His down 1 is quick which is great for crossups and such but jump kick blows it up along with all his other AA's.
Kabal Scorpion is not worse than 6-4. Scorpion's hellfire tracks dash and anything other than a perfect IAGB can get caught by spear for a full combo. Scorpions specials are enough to make a Kabal player uncomfortable and play a lot different than they normally would in another MU (not many other characters can do this in the entire game). Kabal probably has to jump forward more against Scorpion than any other character in the game and Scorp players need to be using that to their advantage.
How is hellfire not a threat against Kabal? It will stuff dash from outside of jump distance. If you are forced to play footsies with Kabal yes you are screwed because Scorpion loses badly there. I agree with your statement in Kitana's case however because of her insane air-mobility and the properties of her projectile.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it only takes 1 safe armored dash cancel for kanal to get into footsie range on scorpion.
I believe that hellfire tracks and stuffs a normal armored dash. In that case you should be throwing out hellfire at the point where Kabal would have to move far enough where he will be caught by it if he tries to dash cancel.
I don't agree.
I won't argue about his hard match ups. That shit sucks, but I think Cage and Sonya are the only 2 characters that reduce his AA to below average. I'm not saying Scorpion doesn't have somewhat of a more difficult time landing his AAs then some of the better characters, but I think what he gets off an AA when he does land one makes up for it. The only characters I can think of that really scare me more than Scorp when they AA me is Smoke, Cyrax, Cage, and Sonya. Am I forgetting anyone? Kabal as well I guess.
It's ignorant to assume that the vortex is his only saving grace, although given my bizarrely high success rate with Scorpion's risks, I don't blame him for thinking like that
Ya, I def don't think it is even. I think it is 6-4 as well. Scorp has tools to deal with some of Kabal's BS, but by no means does that make things even.RiBBz22 & Scoot Magee - I will say this, zone happy Kabals will make the Scorp matchup look better than it really is for Scorp, but I have played it with Kabals that play the matchup very honestly and hellfire keepaway works well regardless. It's similar to the Kabal/Human Smoke matchup in UMK3 imo, except H.Smoke had much better tools for escaping Kabal's pressure than pokes with no advantage and bipolar armor lol.
Ultimately I think it comes down to who can annoy each other into bigger mistakes, and Kabal isn't forced to make as many, so it's 6-4 in his favor.
It's ignorant to assume that the vortex is his only saving grace, although given my bizarrely high success rate with Scorpion's risks, I don't blame him for thinking like that
scorpion does pretty well against almost all kinds of zoning in the game, pressure is what fucks up scorpion bad, slow normals, bad pokes, inconsistent armor...
This is basically what I'm saying. If kabal zones he is only giving scorpion a chance to win. He has no reason to zone at all.
