You left out cheetah? What's the mu like for superman vs cheetah and the reasons behind it?
I don't see atrocitus on that list, no mu score or strategy for atrocitus?Hey,
I noticed we did not have a MUP discussion ,where us Kryptonians can cry about the issue of tiers, overplaying and downplaying.
Personally a feel superman is a great shout but he gets wrecked by the high tiers. There was a lot of people saying he is broke but most of the superman loyalists have moved on to others because they can do what he does, but 40 times better in some cases.
This is all my opinion, I got to a high rank in ranked and have had long sets with pros and all their characters, so I think I can make this thread teehee
I am not going to go though every single character, only the bad ones and the good ones.
Losing,Even or winning ???
Black adam- He is in an unreal spot and I find it quite tough to break them down. Black adams damage rivals that of superman (Not great for the lore but oh well) and it is somewhat easier for adam to get dmg. It feels like Clark is always coming for Adam, not the other way round.
4-6 (potential 5-5 in the future ?)
Aquaman- He, like adam, is in a really good spot, although I do not find it anywhere near as hard. His normals and dmg are insane and FTD makes it a pain to get anything started.
4-6 (poss 5-5)
Batman- He is a right slag, his zoning really limits supes' movement and can make it quite the challenge. This alongside, Wayne's high dmg and insane pressure can make for a tough game.
Deadshot- Limits supes movement, although it isn't impossible. I like a cheeky df3 under deadshots bf1. But, if you get hit once, youre back at fullscreen.
4-6 (poss 5-5)
Catwoman- Her j2 and improved movement speed makes it risky to make the first move. Her damage also is extremely high, as well as her setup potential. Her lowprofiling is a massive issue for superman because she can go under his beloved f23
If I am honest, I feel like those 4 are the main ones that cause me the biggest issue. The rest of the cast, I think supes goes at least 5-5 with them, or if they have poor movement and/or no projectile, 6-4. I think Supes does very well against
Bane- Supes trait destroyed bane and his trait. I also feel at every point of the stage, we win, wether it is mid screen or far. Close is slightly more difficult but I feel that Bane's lack of scare in the neutral as well as his slow 11f d1 makes it better for us
6-4 (poss 7-3)
Robin- Although Robin has a huge range, he is death on whiff. Superman has a lot of mobility to dodge and weave through Robin then push his tits in with f23. I also feel we can zone Robin.
Canary-F23 and lasers just destroy her. If she gets in you can die with her mixup potential but the defensive wall that is Clark makes it ever so hard for her
Joker and Brainiac- Both have a similar game plan, Zoner and f23. We are far too quick for them to do a lot.
Cyborg- If we are in, it is awful for borg. Yet, borg's zoning is very good with angles to cover almost all of our movement.
5-5 (poss 6-4)
This is all my opinion thus far and would love to hear how others feel about these MUPs and any struggles they have faced.
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You gotta play Knicks man. No other Darkseid even comes close. You're not getting the right idea of the match up unless you do. I don't think there's a chance Superman wins.Only my opinion, but updated MU chart for Supes.
Definitely loses to: Catwoman, Green Arrow, Deadshot, Black Adam
Even (may lose): Red Hood, Batman, Supergirl, Starfire
Winning: Fate, Darkseid, Grodd, GL, Ivy, Harley
Not enough exp vs other characters
I don't even think Superman needs to get in. You can just outzone him imo. It's not heavily in Superman's favor fullscreen but if you're not losing exchanges at the start of the round and letting him get a lead, it's fine.Supes really shouldn't lose to ga. Air laser and air dashes are good to get past his zoning, which is the only thing he really has on Batman. I used to get slaughtered too,with the bat, but with practice it gets better. You just need to understand when to move and when to respect.
So in the lore I see how he loses to WW (PreFlashpoint anyway--she and he both got massively gimped during and afterwards) but I cannot for the life of me see how he loses to WW in Injustice 2 as NRS has interpreted them. Of course maybe my scrub status has me playing the matchup all wrong. So my question is how does he lose to her?You gotta play Knicks man. No other Darkseid even comes close. You're not getting the right idea of the match up unless you do. I don't think there's a chance Superman wins.
I think he does fine vs Arrow still and loses to Batman, Supergirl, Wowo, Catwoman, Deadshot, Adam, Darkseid.
He could lose to Scarecrow or Red Hood but i'm inclined to say otherwise until I personally struggle in the match ups. Theo thinks he loses to Scarecrow tho and in Theo we trust.
Do you have any match footage of you playing vs Arrow? I'm pretty knowledgeable in the match I could maybe give you some tips Lord ATP?
Idk most I talk to just agree that she wins like Yung, Facelessman, I think Akro said Wowo wins 6-4 too.So in the lore I see how he loses to WW (PreFlashpoint anyway--she and he both got massively gimped during and afterwards) but I cannot for the life of me see how he loses to WW in Injustice 2 as NRS has interpreted them. Of course maybe my scrub status has me playing the matchup all wrong. So my question is how does he lose to her?
Hmmm. So I really REALLY suck. To the Practice Mode!!!!Idk most I talk to just agree that she wins like Yung, Facelessman, I think Akro said Wowo wins 6-4 too.
I thought before Superman did fine but now that his wake ups are booboo it's kinda difficult. She doesn't have to worry about much when pressuring and she can react with lasers in neutral and hit him with her shield. If she's out of shield range she has a projectile parry too. I feel like she kinda locks him down in neutral. She also out damages him now.