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EGGXI

EGGXI

Scary Bat
Awsumpossm said:
I've ran classic battle at least fifty times since Lobo's release and have never fought him (or Batgirl, for that matter). The odds of this happening are incredibly low.
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It might depend on which ladder, I've had Batgirl once or twice since her release and Lobo a fair amount too.
 
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ghost whistler

Mortal
There are a LOT of things this game needs to address.

Firstly and most importantly is the character balance. This game is decided by the character choice. In fact it's the worst i've ever seen. It's clear this game was not meant to be taken seriously and that people were intended to mix up their character choices and have fun.

Crossups and jumpins for certain characters (i would say primarily batman and raven) need to be examined and fixed. I am so tired of the way the game does not correctly block when I am. Batman can jump at you and score a hit that isn't a crossup and have it register even as you are walking away. This is ridiculous. Not to mention his utterly ambiguous and far too quick crossup. As with Batgirl I have no idea how they expected people to react to this? Do they think people have superhuman reflexes?

Too many moves dominate the game they are used in,. GL's command grab does this as does Raven's. It is simply boring to have to stand and anticipate this move for the entire match particularly at the range it can be used. There is no risk and so all Raven players will do is force you to anticipate this. The threat of these moves is too great given how much damage you can take from failing to block. This is a stupid way to design a fighting game. These are not even MB moves they are completely free to be used all the time.

Zoning is utterly ridiculous. This game has it way out of control. Why does Nightwing have air batarangs as well as staff and stick projectiles? Why does he need them both? Why design a game like this? People that now think DS is 'ruined' are as ridiculous as those they formerly criticised for saying he was broken. If the only way to coutner spam is to do the same thing back, congratulations: your game experience sucks. Same with Superman. I'm so bored of playing against him, his design is utterly utterly awful and he is DC's top name character (and his supermove is broken as it will go through a block almost 50% of the time).

There are so many weird discrepancies in the gameplay it beggars belief: grundy's WC move gets beaten so often it needs fixing. It is meant to have armour yet i've been beaten by a single hit from Nightwing's staff, a light punch from superman, everything and anything can and has gotten through that move on occasion. Not as a result of using up the armour, and not at the end when it's vulnerable either.

NRS needs to stop wasting time with useless unbalanced DLC and start fixing this game.
 
shaowebb

shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
Block then dash up will solve most of your gripes. Learning to back dash and AA sounds like it will solve most of the rest. Removing good tools isn't gonna make you get better and the balance isn't bad AT ALL. You just dont sound like you've gotten the hang of how footsies work in this game yet. Look at how many characters keep appearing in top 8...yeah this aint even close to busted on balance. Worst thing we got to deal with is interactible and stage transition damage being a bit high.

Just hang out here and ask more questions on how to handle tools or tactics that trouble your main. We'll help you level up and learn how to play this game so you understand how to crush these things.
 
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ghost whistler

Mortal
How will dashing and blocking prevent basic moves from breaking WC?

It's the same argument over and over. You people assume that zoners don't do anything except stand in place spamming moves. They don't.

Half the moves in this game are useless right off the bat.

I don't think you people really understand the complaints being made at all.
 
shaowebb

shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
Then help us to understand so we can maybe get to the bottom of you problem in various encounters. Who are you playing as and against who, what are they doing and how are you trying to respond to it?

Lets get some details so we can cut through your frustration and maybe get you going. I mean we're all dealing with it fine so there has to be a way we can help you here.
 
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ghost whistler

Mortal
Pretty much as I say.

Certain characters have moves that are too powerful. Doomsday's unblockable should not be unblockable. Expecting the opponent to always be in a position to armour thorugh with b3/f3 is not balance.

Grundy's WC move is beaten out by the most basic moves as though the armour isn't there. Something is wrong.

The jump ins and crossup attacks that are not blocked despite the correct command.

THe game is full of these little bugs.

Character matchup often decides the outcome: grundy versus black adam is ridiculous.

Some characters need redesigning altogether. It is ridiculous to have designed a character to play the way superman ends up being played (which is exactly the same no matter whom i come across using him). Why on earth create a fighting game that reduces interaction to spamming laser beams?
 
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kikeuy

Noob
Not at all. It was a thought about your complain on Superman spamming lasers.
You must really hate Guile from Street fighter , or Morrigan from UMVC3 or Kenshi from MK9 or .............
You´ve been kindly invited to ask for advice on dealing with stuff that you find annoying. You can also check the matchup thread on every character here on TYM .
 
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ghost whistler

Mortal
What needs to be done is to get Boon to stop wasting time on twitter and start addressing the fundamental problems such as those i've mentioned above.

Why on earth aren't people on here tweeting him to fix the matchmaking as well? This game is unplayable online as a result of constantly matching people half way around the world, and they can't do anything about it!

This is ridiculous.
 
shaowebb

shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
ghost whistler said:
What needs to be done is to get Boon to stop wasting time on twitter and start addressing the fundamental problems such as those i've mentioned above.

Why on earth aren't people on here tweeting him to fix the matchmaking as well? This game is unplayable online as a result of constantly matching people half way around the world, and they can't do anything about it!

This is ridiculous.
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Look I'm trying to help you. Several of us are. I know you want to rant right now, but we are offering to help. No one is flooding Boon with this, because we asked players here for help and we learned how to properly read, react and adapt. We'd all like to help you do the same. You can't get better by yelling at someone else to change the game to fit your style. Especially since those things aren't really issues. Superman can't laser you to death in nearly any matchup and this is honestly the first I've heard of a walking corpse issue. For that I'd hit up the Grundy boards (which I'll also dig through later tonight to see if this has come up and has an answer already). As for Crossups thats the deal with crossups. In any game with good crossups like Doomsday's you have to train to tell at what distance you got to reverse your block direction to block it properly. Zangief required the same sort of training to deal with.

Plus I play online and I'm a Green Arrow main. My only issue is that on a 360 pad with its terrible D-pad that I run into trouble with F2d13 and Stinger and from what folks have told me it can be compensated for by simply inputting the move slower so that it can register the D in F2D13 and the B in BF3 (stinger).

We want to help you, but if you try to shout and rally for blood here over the things you mentioned you wont really find any support. Game is fine. Its got different footsies and strategies than other fighters involved in its meta but its not busted nor is it in need of massive retooling to the cast aside from maybe improving Lobo's ability to get in on folks.

Now...lets calm down, start over and I want you to just tell me specifically about your matchups. It sounds like you play Grundy. You got blowed up and that happens. Think back and try to tell us what characters did to you that blew you up and what you attempted against the characters that were getting to you. We want to help...let us try a bit first to fix your problems before you make any final judgments because these all sound manageable.

Also I'd like for you to specifically bring up your WC issues here on the Grundy boards so the dedicated folk who use him daily can run through your issues and tell you what they think.

http://testyourmight.com/threads/born-on-a-monday-solomon-grundy-general-discussion-qa-thread.17743/page-18

We have a ton of character experts here and we are here to help. Just try to listen to what they have to say and if it doesn't work ask more questions. We'll get you rolling.
 
Zatoichi

Zatoichi

Fabulous Goofball
I officially don't respect Green Lantern anymore and I never will. I think I actually respect Superman and Deathstroke zoning more than Green Lantern.
 
haketh

haketh

Champion
Zatoichi said:
I officially don't respect Green Lantern anymore and I never will. I think I actually respect Superman and Deathstroke zoning more than Green Lantern.
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Sounds like you adn Whistler have a problem respecting GL, you ahve to respect LM till you're in. You go in like a nut and you'll get blown up.
 
PANDA

PANDA

*Supreme Member*
They just need to nerf the ring grab's range.
Raven is fine considering the amount of disadvantage she is after after crush on block.
 
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ghost whistler

Mortal
shaowebb said:
Look I'm trying to help you. Several of us are. I know you want to rant right now, but we are offering to help. No one is flooding Boon with this, because we asked players here for help and we learned how to properly read, react and adapt. We'd all like to help you do the same. You can't get better by yelling at someone else to change the game to fit your style. Especially since those things aren't really issues. Superman can't laser you to death in nearly any matchup and this is honestly the first I've heard of a walking corpse issue. For that I'd hit up the Grundy boards (which I'll also dig through later tonight to see if this has come up and has an answer already). As for Crossups thats the deal with crossups. In any game with good crossups like Doomsday's you have to train to tell at what distance you got to reverse your block direction to block it properly. Zangief required the same sort of training to deal with.

Plus I play online and I'm a Green Arrow main. My only issue is that on a 360 pad with its terrible D-pad that I run into trouble with F2d13 and Stinger and from what folks have told me it can be compensated for by simply inputting the move slower so that it can register the D in F2D13 and the B in BF3 (stinger).

We want to help you, but if you try to shout and rally for blood here over the things you mentioned you wont really find any support. Game is fine. Its got different footsies and strategies than other fighters involved in its meta but its not busted nor is it in need of massive retooling to the cast aside from maybe improving Lobo's ability to get in on folks.

Now...lets calm down, start over and I want you to just tell me specifically about your matchups. It sounds like you play Grundy. You got blowed up and that happens. Think back and try to tell us what characters did to you that blew you up and what you attempted against the characters that were getting to you. We want to help...let us try a bit first to fix your problems before you make any final judgments because these all sound manageable.

Also I'd like for you to specifically bring up your WC issues here on the Grundy boards so the dedicated folk who use him daily can run through your issues and tell you what they think.

http://testyourmight.com/threads/born-on-a-monday-solomon-grundy-general-discussion-qa-thread.17743/page-18

We have a ton of character experts here and we are here to help. Just try to listen to what they have to say and if it doesn't work ask more questions. We'll get you rolling.
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Then how else do you explain not blocking a move when actually blocking? If i'm walking away from a character and i'm still being hit something is wrong. These are not unblockable moves. It is either netcode or something wrong with the game.

I've given you several things to respond to and you are telling me I'm ranting. Boon does need to address the matchmaking, and people ought to be telling him so. He's obviouslyu not taking this issue serious and it's basic functionality. This game has wonky netcode.

How else do you explain WC getting beaten by even a simple attack before it's armour runs out? It doesn't even flash to show it's armoured.

At least if there were greater controls over the matchmaking i could try and see if distance made some difference, but as it stands the game is rapidly ebcoming unplayable.

If the issue isn't netcode, and i have no way of knowing, then the game really does have problems.

The 360 controller is appalling for thuis game but part of the problem has to lie in the coding of the game. I have real problems inputting half circle inputs as well as dashing. Offline i can dash more or less ok, online - particularly with gruyndy's super (because everyone runs away when its active) - i can't dash at all. He just stands there wobbling about as if the ground was shaking. However in practice mode with the inputs shown i can input s. 2 xx WC and it will not come out even though the inputs listed are correct. How can that be?
 
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DiZzyPhyZiks

Mortal
ghost whistler said:
What needs to be done is to get Boon to stop wasting time on twitter and start addressing the fundamental problems such as those i've mentioned above.
This is ridiculous.
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The only fundametal problems are the problems with your fundamentals. Call me a troll if you must but you need to stop blaming everything on the game and its devs. Each matchup must be engaged differently. Take green lantern for instance, you block lanterns might at max range and you have enough time to dash right up to his face. From here you both take a gamble, someone will block and someone will attack. If its superman, block lasers then dash once or twice depending but be ready to block again. When you get close enough he'll probly air dash 2 or 3 and grundy's d2 owns that free.

Some chars are obviously better than others, but as a harley main im telling you that learning the matchup really puts the outcome of the match in the players hand. My secondary is bane and if you dont play against me correctly i dont care what char youre using, youre gonna get hurt by one of the worst characters in the game
 
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ghost whistler

Mortal
DiZzyPhyZiks said:
The only fundametal problems are the problems with your fundamentals. Call me a troll if you must but you need to stop blaming everything on the game and its devs.
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You are trolling, unfortunately. You are not saying anything and you are arguing with yourself because i didn't blame everyting on the game. I said the netcode is bad and that without regional matchmaking the problem will persist.

It staggers me that noone takes this issue seriously, that they'd rather misrepresent what someone says than actually take this on board. The game's online component is hobbled because the devs left out basic functionality. It's 2013 for god's sake. They HAVE to get this stuff right. This game is going to die on it's ass otherwise: later this year the XB1 comes out and this game will not be backwards compatible.

You are not addressing the issues i mentioned. Explain to me why it doesn't block if it isn't netcode. Do you think the netcode is fine? Explain why the game reads inputs correctly but fails to actually implement the move.

Anything else is trolling I'm afraid. You might not like that, but that's what you are doing. You can't criticise my fundamentals because you haven't seen them.

You are also missing the point as to why GL's move is problematic. I didn't say it couldn't be blocked. I said it dominates the match too much. It's range is absurd. It's the power that move has over the match. You cna't react to it quickly enough and it leads to full combo. If i know when my opponent is going to use it then yes it becomes useless, but i can't know that. GL doesn't start flashing a funny colour to warn you.
 
IceNine

IceNine

Tired, But Strong
haketh said:
Sounds like you adn Whistler have a problem respecting GL, you ahve to respect LM till you're in. You go in like a nut and you'll get blown up.
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I'm sorry, but I just found the choice of words here really funny.

"I don't respect Green Lantern anymore"
"Sounds like you have a problem respecting GL"

Yeah, idk it's late and this made me suffer gutpains.
 
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DiZzyPhyZiks

Mortal
Im sorry to hear that youre having so much trouble blocking. I find, however, that my online experience is quite fluid given an opponent with an equally stable connection. It is true that in laggy conditions you may react and block something yet the game doesnt register it. What you have to understand is that the move you tried to block came out before you even saw it on your screen, causing your reaction to be very late. To be fair, the person youre fighting is experiencing the same delay that you are. As for crossups? Sometimes it's just hard to tell what side to block, hence, "ambiguous". It becomes more apparent the more times you see a given setup though.

When you play people that seem to have a very good connection, try inviting them to your friends list and play those people. I've got a few dudes I play online regularly and our games almost feel like we're in the same room.

As for GL "dominating", the match isn't over till it's over. Grundy may have to work to get in but don't think he isn't the one "dominating" when he's in his preferred range.
 
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ghost whistler

Mortal
DiZzyPhyZiks said:
Im sorry to hear that youre having so much trouble blocking. I find, however, that my online experience is quite fluid given an opponent with an equally stable connection.
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All the more reason to address the matchmaking, surely.

A connection between the UK and Mexico isn't going to be stable. I think most people would agree with that.
 
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