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Raptor82

Noob
guys can you consistently get 21 FA into 214? I get it like half the time and I don't see that I'm doing anything slower. I wonder if it's a glitch like with sub zero where his ex clone doesn't come out against certain characters. Can you consistently start combo 2,1 FA into 214??? Like 10 times in a row? Is it timing or could it be glitch?
 
STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
I still feel like 214 FBRC is probably +8, but not a major deal if not, I'll just have to use 123 to cover that base.

Raptor82 said:
guys can you consistently get 21 FA into 214? I get it like half the time and I don't see that I'm doing anything slower. I wonder if it's a glitch like with sub zero where his ex clone doesn't come out against certain characters. Can you consistently start combo 2,1 FA into 214??? Like 10 times in a row? Is it timing or could it be glitch?
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21 Flame Aura into 214 does work, and it's a 3 frame link. That's 1/2oth of a second so it most likely is timing, just keep working on it.


Runks said:
Alright alright... I'll let it out....


It still works... Just on characters jax size and bigger. Tighter link. Can't be Late. Go ahead and do it yourself. I play on ps4. Cant get it to work on the average size and females.
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This is the problem though, BNBs are put together for consistency's sake, 214 TP, 214 EX TP obviously doesn't have that anymore.
 
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Triplswing

Triplswing

your soe will BERRN
STRYKIE said:
21 Flame Aura into 214 does work, and it's a 3 frame link. That's 1/2oth of a second so it most likely is timing, just keep working on it.
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The real problem with that combo is pushback. If 21 connects from tip range the flame aura can whiff.
 
JDE

JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
The 21 FA into 214 works, but it does lead to push back like Trplswing mentioned. You literally have to hit 214 the moment you land 21 xxFAxx in order to get the combo. It's not really all that difficult once you get used to it, but this was still a dumb nerf. I hate what they've done to 214 as a combo. If they were going to nerf the damage of 214, then they could have done it without touching the combo sequences.

I'm iffy on using 21 xxFAxx 214 combos as punishers though. Very iffy.
 
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Raptor82

Noob
Yeahh.....the tricky part is that I play online only. I don't have much of a problem connecting it in lab but just as soon as I play with friend online...it's like 1/10 that 214 connects after 21xxxFA. On top of that you have different level of lag. 0.5 second timing is very hard for me at least to pull off. Perhaps I should switch to 21xxxFA mix up.
 
STK

STK

Beso de Muerte + Fantasía Oscura
what is the frames on fbc after the nerf? is hellfire still the best varation?
 
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Raptor82

Noob
I believe you are +8 or 7 according to people posting earlier. You're still on plus but all you can do now is poke it seems.
 
EndofGameBoss

EndofGameBoss

That's about right.
STRYKIE said:
This one isn't that significant since I doubt it can be done midscreen, you'd have to run for too long to and lose the + frames before the standing 1 reaches, but proof nonetheless:

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Really old post, but I've been in the lab with Hellfire for awhile now and 11 does connect midscreen, but you have to input perfectly. There can be no error.
 
Xzyj

Xzyj

Mortal
P3irce said:
Does anyone know if there's any application with d4 fireball cancel ?
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i tested it, and it seems like d4 on hit has more advantage with FBRC, so you can connect something like f2 or some string guaranteed after d4 FBRC on hit.

you can test it yourself by placing AI on jump mode and do standart d4 and then try to go for f2 and see if he can jump in time, and do the same with d4 fbrc
 
P3irce

P3irce

Mortal
Xzyj said:
i tested it, and it seems like d4 on hit has more advantage with FBRC, so you can connect something like f2 or some string guaranteed after d4 FBRC on hit.

you can test it yourself by placing AI on jump mode and do standart d4 and then try to go for f2 and see if he can jump in time, and do the same with d4 fbrc
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Ill def have to test this. Really digging scorpion right now, hellfire is really clicking with me
 
Xzyj

Xzyj

Mortal
P3irce said:
Ill def have to test this. Really digging scorpion right now, hellfire is really clicking with me
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i agree, even tho i'm looking into other characters, with all the tech that's happening lately about Hellfire i think there's a lot more to explore with that character :p
 
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Hor_PeT

Kombatant
Hey guys. I started practicing FRBC and I would like to know if I do it perfectly or need to be faster (in order to achieve the frame advantage listed above).
Do you have any practical tips how I can check the perfection?

Now I can link 21 FRBC 21 into 1 combo which means something but I do not think I am perfectly fast enough according to the hellfire videos I was watching. :)

I apologize for the "off topic" I did not want to create a new thread just for that - my aim is the frame data listed above. :D
 
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BornThroughAshes

BornThroughAshes

Devil Apes
Hor_PeT said:
Hey guys. I started practicing FRBC and I would like to know if I do it perfectly or need to be faster (in order to achieve the frame advantage listed above).
Do you have any practical tips how I can check the perfection?

Now I can link 21 FRBC 21 into 1 combo which means something but I do not think I am perfectly fast enough according to the hellfire videos I was watching. :)

I apologize for the "off topic" I did not want to create a new thread just for that - my aim is the frame data listed above. :D
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Hey man.

I'm no scorpion main but I believe I can help with my brief experience with him.

If you're just starting out with fireball cancels, I'd suggest starting with linking all possible combos on hit first. For instance:

21xxFBC, 1/2
B3xxFBC, 1/2
F3xxFBC, 1 (harder)

After you nail those down, practice your timings on block and look how much stamina you're draining every time. Ideally, you should be able to do FBC twice and still have around 1/4th of your stamina left.

If you wanna go extreme and perfect your timing, I would suggest try making 21/f3xxFBC, d3 a blockstring. The link can be very tight and it can be frustrating, so only attempt that if you have perfected all of the above.

The way you can test if you got the blockstring is to set Cassie's Power Flip as a reversal and not get your cancel interrupted. This can be seen below:


Hope I helped mate. Again, this is coming from a casual Scorpion player, not a main. If you want more input, I'd suggest asking @JINAMOUNAINAI or @MAN0, those guys really know their shit. ;)
 
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