Guide - Hellfire Fireball Cancel Frame-Data

[JDE]

For B3 you really need to make sure you're hitting the down input, sounds weird I know but it's one of those cancels where at first you think you need to be faster than you actually do. You have more time than you might think to do the fireball.

I will try this. Hopefully it works. I seriously need to learn this because I will be competing soon. Supposed to be going to YOMI, SJ, & maybe EVO (but I may not make it)

 

[STRYKIE]

Exams are finally over (halle-fucking-lujah) so I've been able to test the frame-data again.

3 - +2
B1 - +4
F3 - +8
B3 - +2
123 - +8
B12 - +4
114 - +2
4 - +18
B1 - +27 on hit/+4 on block

Also Standing 1 is neutral on block.

Huh, I didn't know you updated these, good shit man.

Also, even though there's a lot of things incorrectly listed as +2 on block, I think standing 1 might actually be correct. I'm testing now against Kung Lao's spin and after standing 1 on block I can stuff the reversal spin with uppercut.

When testing stuff against Cassie's flipkick by the way, you should always do so in the corner IMO, just so we know that it's not hitbox inconsistencies causing some normals to stuff it.

 

[Reauxbot]

You guys are pretty amazing at finding frame data like this. I would have never have figured things like this out without you guys.

 

[delbuster]

AIGHT what's the new frame data on 214 rc and dc guys

 

[JDE]

I keep getting a 214 into a spear instead of the fireball (without the release check). Anyone else getting this?

 

[STRYKIE]

AIGHT what's the new frame data on 214 rc and dc guys

214 FBRC is still plus, not sure how plus yet. FBDC is undoubtedly negative though, punished clean by Cassie's flipkick.

Meanwhile Liu Kang is still + after his dash cancel coupled with the threat of a string that eats most armor and backdashes.

 

[Deezxnutz]

Can't do the 214 FRC blockstring loop anymore, they can reversal after the 214

 

[Yinze]

Terrible now.

 

[Nereus]

can he still do 4 > FBRC > 214?

 

[Yinze]

214 tele, 214 ex tele no longer combos

 

[Gunnerbeu]

R.I.P Hellfire, I'm gonna miss you

 

[STRYKIE]

R.I.P Hellfire, I'm gonna miss you

While this was the wrong way to go about nerfs, you're nuts if you think this has killed Hellfire.

 

[JDE]

214 tele, 214 ex tele no longer combos

There's a combo that replaces it. It's just 1 % less

43% 21 xx db4 > 214 xx db3 > 123 xx ex db3 > rc 21 xx bf1 > ji2 > f4 xx db4 > 21 xx db3

 

[SaltShaker]

About time.

 

[kivatt]

While this was the wrong way to go about nerfs, you're nuts if you think this has killed Hellfire.

Hey! We don't need you being rationale over here. We are trying to be dramatic. We need at least 24hrs.

 

[Bilbo11]

just picked up Scorpion 3 days ago, smashed the lab getting Fireball Cancels down, and now this happens- $hi!tsnacks

 

[Runks]

214 tele, 214 ex tele no longer combos

Yea it does

 

[kivatt]

Yea it does

 

[Runks]

It still combos.

 

[RiBBz22]

It still combos.

Sure, as long as you don't download the update

 

[Runks]

Sure, as long as you don't download the update

It's downloaded.

 

[Student]

It's downloaded.

How are you getting it to combo?

 

[Raptor82]

The patch hasn't been released on PC and won't be for another few weeks. If he plays on PC he will be able to even do 214 fbrc safely. I don't see any other way he could combo 214 teke into 214 ex tele.

 

[Student]

The patch hasn't been released on PC and won't be for another few weeks. If he plays on PC he will be able to even do 214 fbrc safely. I don't see any other way he could combo 214 teke into 214 ex tele.

That's true. @Runks are you on PC?

 

[Runks]

Alright alright... I'll let it out....


It still works... Just on characters jax size and bigger. Tighter link. Can't be Late. Go ahead and do it yourself. I play on ps4. Cant get it to work on the average size and females.