Blewdew
PSN: MaxKayX3
We'll See bro we'll seeOh really? I doubt it
We'll See bro we'll seeOh really? I doubt it
Prolly the case, not to say I haven't lost to my fair share of Subs, I think I've ran a few sets where I didn't take any games. But I still think if you look at the tool sets and gameplay of both characters 7-3 isn't unreasonable. But from my experience thats pretty much been my record against them.
Well like I said we're both saying it's a winning mu so the discussion is pretty much dumb haha as Long as we don't Know specific mu numbers these are speculations anyway.
HMUWe'll See bro we'll see
Lackey was buffed. Yes he's viable. He's more than viable, he's very good. But it does depend on matchup. I wouldn't choose Lackey against Grandmaster or several other zoners.
But he asked about Lackey, not Ruthless. I definitely don't see how Lackey is "broken af", as you put it. Have any of the strongest players picked up Lackey since XL? Not from what I've seen. Come to think of it I don't think I've seen any pick up Ruthless either. If he's truly broken af then what you're implying is you've found something nobody else has.
Definitely holds true here, the Sub player just needs to focus on knocking the FT player down, and then it becomes very apparent how much that MU is not 7-3. NJP and the Ferra tosses do shit all over clone and Ice-ball though, which is nice.
Alright man I'm gonna have to ask you to explain yourself. At no point has anyone put you on the spot and i think thats just how nice most of the ft mains are, but frankly im not. You havent given any reason why you think they're broke, other than "he was good and got buffed", which you could say the exact same thing about shinnok, and he REALLY didn't need the buffs he got.
I used the image because he said that I'm saying that lackey is broken, witch I'm not. simple as that.
in all fairness you came to us claiming our character is broke so we have every right to pester you to get some justification. I said nice not decent, we play a character that can do 70%+ for a bar, we're pretty much the most indecent players this game has
You excel at neutral jump punching, don't liein all fairness you came to us claiming our character is broke so we have every right to pester you to get some justification. I said nice not decent, we play a character that can do 70%+ for a bar, we're pretty much the most indecent players this game has
And yes you didn't say Lackey was broke you just said "broken af" in a thread dedicated to Ferra/Torr post patch, without any qualification (be it release version or variation), the last comment was talking about Lackey, so either you were talking about Lackey specifically or the character is broken as a whole (I'll concede that when people talk about F/T 85% of the time they're talking about Ruthless).
While all your points are technically correct, there are characters who do far better than us at 2 or more of those things you just listed, along with being solid to great in the other areas. Like...
Erron has much better pressure, 50/50s and over all mixups with tick throws off of 21 (also jax, fuck jax btw)
Quan chi has better buttons, better 50/50s, better anti zoning.
Kotal has waaayyyy (in fact almost everyone has better pokes, maybe jacqui is the only one below us) better pokes and even more insane damage(granted not the most viable but still technically true), and the stupidest, easiest, most brain fucking dead frame traps and command grab in the game.
Takeda and D'Vorah both have far better spacing control than we do, as does shinnok, while either having great pressure or... well its shinnok ffs.
Sonya, Erron, D'Vorah, Quan Chi, Alien, Mileena, Kano, Raiden, and prolly some other characters I can't think of have 50/50s that are unreactable (if you don't have godlike top tier execution).
Ruthless' anti zoning is sub par really, most projectiles you have to stuff on a read unless you're full screen or its an air projectile. Or you can just take the hit with PnG armour but then you're taking 10%+
The only thing Ruthless truly excels at is damage, and maybe advantage on hit. Other than that we have decent to great coverage of other areas, in a game full of characters that push our shit in by abusing those same areas because they can do it way better than we can.
if I wanted to reply to the lackey comment, I would have quoted it like I'm doing now. it ain't hard to understand really.in all fairness you came to us claiming our character is broke so we have every right to pester you to get some justification. I said nice not decent, we play a character that can do 70%+ for a bar, we're pretty much the most indecent players this game has
And yes you didn't say Lackey was broke you just said "broken af" in a thread dedicated to Ferra/Torr post patch, without any qualification (be it release version or variation), the last comment was talking about Lackey, so either you were talking about Lackey specifically or the character is broken as a whole (I'll concede that when people talk about F/T 85% of the time they're talking about Ruthless).
While all your points are technically correct, there are characters who do far better than us at 2 or more of those things you just listed, along with being solid to great in the other areas. Like...
Erron has much better pressure, 50/50s and over all mixups with tick throws off of 21 (also jax, fuck jax btw)
Quan chi has better buttons, better 50/50s, better anti zoning.
Kotal has waaayyyy (in fact almost everyone has better pokes, maybe jacqui is the only one below us) better pokes and even more insane damage(granted not the most viable but still technically true), and the stupidest, easiest, most brain fucking dead frame traps and command grab in the game.
Takeda and D'Vorah both have far better spacing control than we do, as does shinnok, while either having great pressure or... well its shinnok ffs.
Sonya, Erron, D'Vorah, Quan Chi, Alien, Mileena, Kano, Raiden, and prolly some other characters I can't think of have 50/50s that are unreactable (if you don't have godlike top tier execution).
Ruthless' anti zoning is sub par really, most projectiles you have to stuff on a read unless you're full screen or its an air projectile. Or you can just take the hit with PnG armour but then you're taking 10%+
The only thing Ruthless truly excels at is damage, and maybe advantage on hit. Other than that we have decent to great coverage of other areas, in a game full of characters that push our shit in by abusing those same areas because they can do it way better than we can.
In spite of his long limbs, he doesn't have many good advancing strings, no fast overhead option, and his zoning and anti-zoning tools are on a cooldown on use. Unfortunate for us, but those are generally needed for viable continuous pressure. We do decently well in pokes, but they're nothing to write home about really. We do have the damage, I will agree with that, and we do have the means to shut down a lot of options and force the opponent to play into a game stacked against them...
A player asked if Lackey was viable. Nowhere did he mention the character as a whole or Ruthless. Your reply? "broken af". Who takes drugs again?
Oh, so you weren't replying to that at all, you just happened to chime in after a player bumped the thread with a new question. That's a convenient excuse. Funny how you use incomplete sentences and then pretend other people are stupid for not understanding you clearly. In English we use subjects to clarify wtf we're talking about so this doesn't happen. Take notes.
I don't see why it would be an excuse, if I actually thought it was true why not keep on supporting my opinion? it's not like when I said I meant ruthless people started to agree with me. see, I wouldn't want to "pretend other people are stupid", but when you reply this way it's hard for me not to.
Hipster for "as fuck".
I will give you that you were genuinely talking about Ruthless. Fine. But you're the one who didn't articulate yourself properly. Quit pretending there were no grounds for misinterpreting that.
Correct. It's not like that. Nobody is agreeing with you that Ruthless is "broken af". He's great and we would all agree he is above average, if not overpowered. We've been saying that since the XL beta.
so you are saying that if I wrote "overpowered af" instead of "broken af" everything would have been fine? hard for me to belive, but alright.
That's my fault I asked a relative question
No, because I thought you were talking about Lackey. We went over this lol.