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General/Other - Ferra/Torr Ferra/Torr Post-patch report

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
We've had a few changes in the patch, and I figure its time to go over what we've found.
This topic is more for the sake of summary, so anyone interested in exactly what has changed for the character can come here.

GENERAL:
f.2 f.2 into (blank) is confirmed to not combo. This is because the second f.2 has increased gravity, and thus drops them too fast to get a move out.

d.2 is not +4. Its anywhere between -2 to +2, but its definitely not +4 (as far as testing has shown).

MB bowl girl had its scaling increased from the beta. Not enough to make it not worth using at the end of a combo, but definitely not something you want to start out with.

OH toss can be backdashed, but now its like +10 (it jails into standing 2 on block and b.1) so I mean hold that b.12xxOH boiz.

Bowl Girl is not -3, its still -7. Don't let them lie to you. That being said, it can still be +15 in some circumstances.

f.2 has more hit advantage, allowing for new string opportunities.


LACKEY:
Mb Torryuken has better scaling.

Roll lost some advantage from the beta, but you can still do basic 40% meterless combos out of it. RIP 50% 7 roll combos.

Lackey's d.1 is -6 now. Well, I mean at point blank it is. At peak distance you aren't punishing it.

Roll is even safer now on block. Becomes positive at the end of its animation. It is now at least +2 on block in a lot of scenarios.

Lackey cannot command grab on hit.

Roll is now a true block string with pokes (d.1/d.3/d.4/1/etc)

VICIOUS:
Boss Toss can still trade for beefy damage.

Command grab lost some active frames, so a lot of the tick throws (like f.3xxgrab) on hit/block no longer work the way they used to.

Mb Boss Toss covers the screen in about 11 frames, give or take.

RUTHLESS:
73% 1 bar in Ruthless is still a thing.
75% 1 bar in Ruthless is now a thing.

Thats pretty much all there is to Ruthless.


~will be updated as more is found~


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So what do you guys think? Is the character dead? Can we complain now?
 
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Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
@Doombawkz could you point me towards the 75% 1 bar combo? Not sure what it is.
j.i.2 4xxPnGrc f.2 f.3 2f.4xxEX bowl girl n.j.p b.121xxcommand grab

Could be more optimal later, we shall see

4xxPnG f.2 n.j.p f.3 4xxMB bowl girl d.3 b.121xxcommand grab
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@ll Nooby ll
Theres a more optimal version for you. Does 76% with a jump-in, 75% without.
Ending with EX command grab grants you 78%
 
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ll Nooby ll

To Live is to Die
j.i.2 4xxPnGrc f.2 f.3 2f.4xxEX bowl girl n.j.p b.121xxcommand grab

Could be more optimal later, we shall see
Thanks! I'm guessing that's starting with 3 PnGs and then doing another one?

I did that with this combo that I posted in the Combo Forum and it does 76%.

Ji2~4~PnGrc, F2, NJP, F3, 4~EX Bowl Girl, D3, B121~Grab.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Thanks! I'm guessing that's starting with 3 PnGs and then doing another one?

I did that with this combo that I posted in the Combo Forum and it does 76%.

Ji2~4~PnGrc, F2, NJP, F3, 4~EX Bowl Girl, D3, B121~Grab.
lol I tagged you with an optimal combo and you already knew it. Dammit.
Need to be more optimal then.
 

Trauma_and_Pain

Filthy Casual
Even for 3 bars it's still an option if it's lethal. You never know when you'll have a full stick of butter and a stack while your opponent sits at 80% life with no breaker. It could happen.
 

juicepouch

blink-182 enthusiast
Even for 3 bars it's still an option if it's lethal. You never know when you'll have a full stick of butter and a stack while your opponent sits at 80% life with no breaker. It could happen.
I feel like you would get breaker over the course of an 80% combo
 

ChoseDeath

Seriously Casual Player.
Premium Supporter
I know, looks awesome though! It's like a Ferrari, lol. Not worth the cost and impractical, but cool.