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BumbleBee

Power of Toasty
Clearly, the overall theme (and inspiration) of these designs is colored ninjas of the arcade era. I welcome it, though i get how jarring it can look with the current graphical engine. Male ninjas are no different.

Also...

Queen Sindel is here...
You were so close, NRS, so so close... Sindel gets to be good and kind once again... at the expense of Jerrod, who's now forcing her to marry him. Whatever.
 
Sindel, Millena, Tonya, I get the heels on them, it kinda fits their personality, but I do really think it's stupid Kitana, and specially, Li Mei, are wearing High Hills. Hate it.


Pd: Also, MK9 granny Sindel is best sindel, and if you don't agree you are a bunch of aegists.
This is her when she sees the other versions of herself:

I actually think the heels fit Kitana quite well. Sindel, Kitana and Mileena are royalty, and if someone deserves to wear impractical shoes, is then.

About Tanya... I think old Tanya needed heels. About new Tanya, she's a soldier, so that actually is a bit weird. In my head, it's the Queens order that the best warriors should look good while (being killed by general Sha)o, fightning. Also, in my head, Sindel is wearing her pijama to fight. The Queen herself is the worst dressed in the imperial kourt.

Li Mei makes no sense, just as Sonya in MK9. She's no longer with the imperial army, and she's all about justice. Also, her costume is actually quite good for a fictional world police officer...except for the heels.

Ashrah... Well. She purified her feets first and wanted some nice heels.
 
Clearly, the overall theme (and inspiration) of these designs is colored ninjas of the arcade era. I welcome it, though i get how jarring it can look with the current graphical engine. Male ninjas are no different.

Also...


You were so close, NRS, so so close... Sindel gets to be good and kind once again... at the expense of Jerrod, who's now forcing her to marry him. Whatever.
Most likely the arranged marriage was set up by her parents not Jerrod.
 

zerosebaz

What's the point of a random Krypt?
You were so close, NRS, so so close... Sindel gets to be good and kind once again... at the expense of Jerrod, who's now forcing her to marry him. Whatever.
What BarakaTile said about the marriage is probably true. But also, I'm not so sure she's good. There's an evil vibe to half the stuff she does in the trailer cutscenes, to me we will either see the same plot wist of her being evil again, or she will at least be a cunt, even if she's aligned with the good guys.
 

BumbleBee

Power of Toasty
Most likely the arranged marriage was set up by her parents not Jerrod.
That isn't any better. Sindel originally ended her life precisely because she was madly in love with Jerrod. Man never gets to appear anywhere, yet now it feels like he's treated even worse, than his bride in 11.
What BarakaTile said about the marriage is probably true. But also, I'm not so sure she's good. There's an evil vibe to half the stuff she does in the trailer cutscenes, to me we will either see the same plot wist of her being evil again, or she will at least be a cunt, even if she's aligned with the good guys.
Certainly, no one knows more, than NRS themselves right now, but i feel like it's Dom seeping his dominatrix kink into her gameplay somehow. He looks at Lia Montelongo putting Sindel's make up and thinks to himself : "yeah, no good person would look like that". I think i mentioned in this very same thread, that Dom writes characters based on their visual looks, which is so narrow-minded. That's why we ended up with the brain dead ape Shao Kahn too.
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
You were so close, NRS, so so close... Sindel gets to be good and kind once again... at the expense of Jerrod, who's now forcing her to marry him. Whatever.
she won't stay that way.. calling it now.. she will be evil by the end of the game and married to Shao Khan..... she'll do it out of fear for her kingdom but in the end be a tyrant. Calling it now...

She was always best as a villain...
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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It’s a bit frustrating that you can’t even mention stuff relating to how the female characters look without being shouted down especially on social media. Like, Mortal Kombat is an absolutely gruesome fighting game with some of the most vividly disgusting and disturbing gore in all of gaming, not just in all of fighting games. And on top of that, most of the fatal blows and fatalities are purposely over exaggerated and a lot are silly and unnecessary. They are, as Boon would say, “over the top”.

So in accordance with that, you’d expect the characters to have more of a mature look to them. As in very visually appealing. Whether that’s the monster type characters looking intimidating, characters like Havik being both insane and terrifying, and you’d expect at least some of the female characters to be sexually appealing. Not just in their face, but also in their body types and their outfits. This has nothing to do with “jerking off to video game characters”. It has to do with sex appeal fitting the theme of the game. Like out of all the fighting games, you’d expect Mortal Kombat to be the one that’d be more comfortable going a bit risqué with some of the characters. And that could go for both the male and female characters. Yet, it feels like not only do all the female characters have the same body type, they also seem to want to cover them up as much as possible and add a bunch of unnecessary accessories. At least with the male characters there’s a lot more variety. Shirtless, some are jacked while others are more skinny, some are intimidating monsters, some are super tall, and there’s even a fat character even though he isn’t in MK1 afaik. Then you look at the female characters and there’s very little variety there. As stated they all have the same body type, all dress similarly, and it really honestly negatively effects their perception. I’d say the biggest difference would be Sheeva, and even she was nerfed to look more like the other female characters in MK11. There’s not really a standout image from any of them. And I really don’t understand why.
 

Afk Skinny

3D Krusader
It’s a bit frustrating that you can’t even mention stuff relating to how the female characters look without being shouted down especially on social media. Like, Mortal Kombat is an absolutely gruesome fighting game with some of the most vividly disgusting and disturbing gore in all of gaming, not just in all of fighting games. And on top of that, most of the fatal blows and fatalities are purposely over exaggerated and a lot are silly and unnecessary. They are, as Boon would say, “over the top”.

So in accordance with that, you’d expect the characters to have more of a mature look to them. As in very visually appealing. Whether that’s the monster type characters looking intimidating, characters like Havik being both insane and terrifying, and you’d expect at least some of the female characters to be sexually appealing. Not just in their face, but also in their body types and their outfits. This has nothing to do with “jerking off to video game characters”. It has to do with sex appeal fitting the theme of the game. Like out of all the fighting games, you’d expect Mortal Kombat to be the one that’d be more comfortable going a bit risqué with some of the characters. And that could go for both the male and female characters. Yet, it feels like not only do all the female characters have the same body type, they also seem to want to cover them up as much as possible and add a bunch of unnecessary accessories. At least with the male characters there’s a lot more variety. Shirtless, some are jacked while others are more skinny, some are intimidating monsters, some are super tall, and there’s even a fat character even though he isn’t in MK1 afaik. Then you look at the female characters and there’s very little variety there. As stated they all have the same body type, all dress similarly, and it really honestly negatively effects their perception. I’d say the biggest difference would be Sheeva, and even she was nerfed to look more like the other female characters in MK11. There’s not really a standout image from any of them. And I really don’t understand why.
The only thing I can think of why they would want to tone it down is they don't want to mix the extreme gore with more revealing clothing for the women. I agree that MK is an extreme game and shouldn't dial it back as heavily, but I can understand them in that point of view, as long as they don't use that bs excuse "No one would ever fight like that!!!1!"
 

xenogorgeous

.... they mostly come at night. Mostly.
It’s a bit frustrating that you can’t even mention stuff relating to how the female characters look without being shouted down especially on social media. Like, Mortal Kombat is an absolutely gruesome fighting game with some of the most vividly disgusting and disturbing gore in all of gaming, not just in all of fighting games. And on top of that, most of the fatal blows and fatalities are purposely over exaggerated and a lot are silly and unnecessary. They are, as Boon would say, “over the top”.

So in accordance with that, you’d expect the characters to have more of a mature look to them. As in very visually appealing. Whether that’s the monster type characters looking intimidating, characters like Havik being both insane and terrifying, and you’d expect at least some of the female characters to be sexually appealing. Not just in their face, but also in their body types and their outfits. This has nothing to do with “jerking off to video game characters”. It has to do with sex appeal fitting the theme of the game. Like out of all the fighting games, you’d expect Mortal Kombat to be the one that’d be more comfortable going a bit risqué with some of the characters. And that could go for both the male and female characters. Yet, it feels like not only do all the female characters have the same body type, they also seem to want to cover them up as much as possible and add a bunch of unnecessary accessories. At least with the male characters there’s a lot more variety. Shirtless, some are jacked while others are more skinny, some are intimidating monsters, some are super tall, and there’s even a fat character even though he isn’t in MK1 afaik. Then you look at the female characters and there’s very little variety there. As stated they all have the same body type, all dress similarly, and it really honestly negatively effects their perception. I’d say the biggest difference would be Sheeva, and even she was nerfed to look more like the other female characters in MK11. There’s not really a standout image from any of them. And I really don’t understand why.


That is America and all the Ocident , with their hilarious indocrination hipocrysy , trying to brainwash all of us since we born : it's OK to show ultra violence and gore, decapitating people in movies and videogames, but is indecent to show legs, and sexy outfits .... we are teached and tamed to be like good dogs and to love violence and hate sex .... hehe :D

Land of free, as someone blindly still believe, lol ! :p
 
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xenogorgeous

.... they mostly come at night. Mostly.
I agree with everything you said, the 'why' is because NRS doesn't want backlash from morons on Twitter who will most likely play this game for a week and move on.
yeah as Disney, WB maybe think that the micro universe called Twitter, gather and involve all relevant fanbase at global level, and so, their opinions matter the most, and they now build all their IP entertainment product to please these people there ..... that probably is 5% of the total fanbase :confused:

Ultra powerful companies just bending over to satisfy a minority around internet .... looks familiar , hehe :p
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
It’s a bit frustrating that you can’t even mention stuff relating to how the female characters look without being shouted down especially on social media. Like, Mortal Kombat is an absolutely gruesome fighting game with some of the most vividly disgusting and disturbing gore in all of gaming, not just in all of fighting games. And on top of that, most of the fatal blows and fatalities are purposely over exaggerated and a lot are silly and unnecessary. They are, as Boon would say, “over the top”.

So in accordance with that, you’d expect the characters to have more of a mature look to them. As in very visually appealing. Whether that’s the monster type characters looking intimidating, characters like Havik being both insane and terrifying, and you’d expect at least some of the female characters to be sexually appealing. Not just in their face, but also in their body types and their outfits. This has nothing to do with “jerking off to video game characters”. It has to do with sex appeal fitting the theme of the game. Like out of all the fighting games, you’d expect Mortal Kombat to be the one that’d be more comfortable going a bit risqué with some of the characters. And that could go for both the male and female characters. Yet, it feels like not only do all the female characters have the same body type, they also seem to want to cover them up as much as possible and add a bunch of unnecessary accessories. At least with the male characters there’s a lot more variety. Shirtless, some are jacked while others are more skinny, some are intimidating monsters, some are super tall, and there’s even a fat character even though he isn’t in MK1 afaik. Then you look at the female characters and there’s very little variety there. As stated they all have the same body type, all dress similarly, and it really honestly negatively effects their perception. I’d say the biggest difference would be Sheeva, and even she was nerfed to look more like the other female characters in MK11. There’s not really a standout image from any of them. And I really don’t understand why.
Yeah the idea that you must be a cum brain pervert if you like the characters showing more skin or being more conventionally attractive is bizarre. There’s a huge middle ground in terms of how perverted a design looks between MK9 and how it is now. I don’t think this is really a problem with MK1 though, most of the characters look good, but I hate this argument. We expect characters we are a fan of to look a certain way and most MK1 characters look awesome.

The same-ness of the women has a lot to do with the fact that 3 of them are a mom and her twin daughters, who would understandably look and dress quite similar. The body suits are kind of weird though, looking at MKX Kitana, Tanya, Mileena, Cassie, Sonya, Jacqui, they all look quite different from each other. I think this game will have pretty good customization though so that could solve a lot of this. They will all surely have cool alternates as well, and klassic skins, so I’m sure we can personalize whatever character we use to a degree.

As for male and female body standards in general, it seems like NRS is only interested in portraying more realistic bodies for women only. Every girl in this game looks like something any woman who works out and had an average ish frame will look like. Iv only been lifting for 5 years so I’m not the greatest ever, but I’m jacked compared to normal people. All of this to say, Sub-Zero’s physique is not attainable naturally for anyone living presumably in the frozen mountains of China, especially since his training wouldn’t involve purely traditional weight training. And that’s a GOOD thing, gaming characters like these should be idealized and a power fantasy, and shouldn’t represent something realistic. It’s escapism. As you pointed out, only the men have any diversity with their body type, which is part of why and how they stand out from each other more than the ladies. I gravitate towards Sub because I like lifting and the jacked gigachad ninja appeals to me, but other guys might gravitate towards the scary monster Baraka because he looks unique and cool as fuck, or the super imposing Shao Kahn, and others might gravitate towards the skinnier and nimble looking Cage. I’m not trying to say they have a political agenda or anything, the women are still pretty and all that shit, but I do think they kind of put themself in a box creatively.
 
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Dankster Morgan

It is better this way


That is America and all the Ocident , with their hilarious indocrination hipocrysy , trying to brainwash all of us since we born : it's OK to show ultra violence and gore, decapitating people in movies and videogames, but is indecent to show legs, and sexy outfits .... we are teached and tamed to be like good dogs and to love violence and hate sex .... hehe :D

Land of free, as someone blindly still believe, lol ! :p
I remember the first time I realized this hypocrisy as a kid. I was like 16, and had just watched the episode of The Walking Dead where Negan kills Abraham and Glenn. It was extremely violent and gruesome, but aired on AMC, regular ass TV. Meanwhile if they were to pop a titty, straight to HBO.
 

xenogorgeous

.... they mostly come at night. Mostly.
Yeah the idea that you must be a cum brain pervert if you like the characters showing more skin or being more conventionally attractive is bizarre. I don’t think this is really a problem with MK1 though, most of the characters look good, but I hate this argument. We expect characters we are a fan of to look a certain way and most MK1 characters look awesome.

The same-ness of the women has a lot to do with the fact that 3 of them are a mom and her twin daughters, who would understandably look and dress quite similar. The body suits are kind of weird though, looking at MKX Kitana, Tanya, Mileena, Cassie, Sonya, Jacqui, they all look quite different from each other. I think this game will have pretty good customization though so that could solve a lot of this. They will all surely have cool alternates as well, and klassic skins, so I’m sure we can personalize whatever character we use to a degree.

As for male and female body standards in general, it seems like NRS is only interested in portraying more realistic bodies for women only. Every girl in this game looks like something any woman who works out and had an average ish frame will look like. Iv only been lifting for 5 years so I’m not the greatest ever, but I’m jacked compared to normal people. All of this to say, Sub-Zero’s physique is not attainable naturally for anyone living presumably in the frozen mountains of China, especially since his training wouldn’t involve purely traditional weight training. And that’s a GOOD thing, gaming characters like these should be idealized and a power fantasy, and shouldn’t represent something realistic. It’s escapism. As you pointed out, only the men have any diversity with their body type, which is part of why and how they stand out from each other more than the ladies. I gravitate towards Sub because I like lifting and the jacked gigachad ninja appeals to me, but other guys might gravitate towards the scary monster Baraka because he looks unique and cool as fuck, or the super imposing Shao Kahn, and others might gravitate towards the skinnier and nimble looking Cage. I’m not trying to say they have a political agenda or anything, the women are still pretty and all that shit, but I do think they kind of put themself in a box creatively.
yep, great stament of yours, I happen to agree with

in the 80's and 90's years there was a motto inside the entertainment industry , and a reality well accepted by overall almost everyone, that "Sex sells" and so, pratically majority of the movie, music and game industry was built under this rule

Not forcing something explicity pornographic, that was not the point, but, in the old times, putting sexy and sensual references and suggestive lust, this was seen as a normal stuff to deal with, and compatible with the lascivous nature of the human being, that , yeah, normally pay for being amused and entertained from the cruel reality of the .... real life, that is tough, boring, cruel, unfair and etc a lot of times

Deny this, even today, is like trying to hide the sun with a net, but, with the woke wave and political intromission, and very dark and evil behaviour control protocols that the goverments and those with power , a lot of power, are trying to input forcely and artificially, of course that any attempt to put, in a natural or organic way, even minor and minimum sexyness and erotic suggestive references in any kind of art, is seen now as totally villanious behaviour, as not part of the current status quo, and as totally offensive to the ultra feminism wave, and all these kind fo shit and annoying new wave, new era, bla bla bla social movements around the ocident society

I admire the Japanese developers, for, sometimes, just give a big "fuck off all of you" middle finger to all this Ocidental woke madness, and so, truly put their original vision in their projects, and go ahead with that for their mangas, games, tv shows, etc
 

xenogorgeous

.... they mostly come at night. Mostly.
I have a kink for short older white women with huge tits, hope they make a hot Karen for dlc
Hard to tell; by chance , when you see people huge offended by Cammy using her original outfit, showing that super ultra delicious ass, and next, this same lunatics going on all social medias, vomiting drama and preaching behaviour rules, you unfortunately understand that we are in the end of days ...... lol ! :p

So, I don't expect nothing daring bold from NRS for this game .... they will go all for traditional missionary position , safest and boring, instead of others stuff "outside" the box and creative, hehe :p
 
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That isn't any better. Sindel originally ended her life precisely because she was madly in love with Jerrod. Man never gets to appear anywhere, yet now it feels like he's treated even worse, than his bride in 11.

Certainly, no one knows more, than NRS themselves right now, but i feel like it's Dom seeping his dominatrix kink into her gameplay somehow. He looks at Lia Montelongo putting Sindel's make up and thinks to himself : "yeah, no good person would look like that". I think i mentioned in this very same thread, that Dom writes characters based on their visual looks, which is so narrow-minded. That's why we ended up with the brain dead ape Shao Kahn too.
It's certainly not worse than if Jerrod saw Sindel and forced her to marry him on the spot. Have you never seen Game of Thrones before?

Arranged Marriages are a common trope involving kingdoms. Anyway Jerrod's destiny is to die always and that's how it should stay.
 

Gooberking

FGC Cannon Fodder
Hard to tell; by chance , when you see people huge offended by Cammy using her original outfit, showing that super ultra delicious ass, and next, this same lunatics going on all social medias, vomiting drama and preaching behaviour rules, you unfortunately understand that we are in the end of days ...... lol ! :p

So, I don't expect nothing daring bold from NRS for this game .... they will go all for traditional missionary position , safest and boring, instead of others stuff "outside" the box and creative, hehe :p
I'm sure someone out there was feeling that sort of way, but I was watching SF6 conversation stuff, but the main mass freaking out I saw about Cammy was people tearing their clothes and crying tears of loss over the fact Capcom dared to think out of the box and put her in tights in the first place