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The NBA has the right to do whatever it wants to do, but as a fan and customer I reserve the right to criticize its hypocrisy and virtue signaling, or even not to watch at all.
It’s just wild to me that some of these sports over the years have or had sexual offenders, abusers people who have done some vile things on their roster, but lord forbid people kneel and have some words other than their name on their jersey! Cuz that’s where the line is drawn lmao.
 

Dankster Morgan

she don’t call me daddy she call me Grandmaster
I feel like everyone has to agree with Dave that the NBA sucking off China is hypocritical at the very least. China is god awful and that is hardly a hot take or even a matter of opinion, but China loves Basketball and the NBA soooooooooo


Barely any better than Activision/Blizzard censoring that guy speaking about Hong Kong.
 

Juggs

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I feel like everyone has to agree with Dave that the NBA sucking off China is hypocritical at the very least. China is god awful and that is hardly a hot take or even a matter of opinion, but China loves Basketball and the NBA soooooooooo


Barely any better than Activision/Blizzard censoring that guy speaking about Hong Kong.
As far as sports are concerned, I only really follow College football and any sport Clemson is playing in (as well as the NFL but not nearly as big into the NFL as I am CFB). Anyway, What is the NBA doing in relation to China? Genuine question.
 

Marlow

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I think a key difference is that the reaction to China was mostly driven by league officials, whereas the BLM side of the NBA is mostly players. I don't see that much hypocrisy. It's not like many players were taking a stand on China.
 

Dankster Morgan

she don’t call me daddy she call me Grandmaster
As far as sports are concerned, I only really follow College football and any sport Clemson is playing in (as well as the NFL but not nearly as big into the NFL as I am CFB). Anyway, What is the NBA doing in relation to China? Genuine question.
Marlow hit the nail on the head, basically they are pathetic cucks simping for China for the revenue. Then they have the nerve to act like they give a fuck about how people are treated here?

So it either implies that they don't give a fuck about people in China and only care about Americans, or more likely that they are giant pussies with no backbone morally. Which I believe is what Dave was getting at with the hypocrisy, I will not support an organization like that.
 
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Marlow

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Marlow hit the nail on the head, basically they cucks simping for China for the revenue. Then they have the nerve to act like they give a fuck about how people are treated here?

So it either implies that they don't give a fuck about people in China and only care about Americans, or more likely that they are giant pussies with no backbone morally. Which I believe is what Dave was getting at with the hypocrisy, I will not support an organization like that.
It kind of highlights one of the main problems with relying on corporate entities or business organizations for leadership on social issues.

Again though, I do want to point out that there is a difference between the "league response" and players choosing to make a statement. I don't find it hypocritical for the players to make a statement, but I do find it hypocritical for the teams to make a statement, if that makes sense.
 

Dankster Morgan

she don’t call me daddy she call me Grandmaster
It kind of highlights one of the main problems with relying on corporate entities or business organizations for leadership on social issues.

Again though, I do want to point out that there is a difference between the "league response" and players choosing to make a statement. I don't find it hypocritical for the players to make a statement, but I do find it hypocritical for the teams to make a statement, if that makes sense.
That makes sense, I don't find it hypocritical for players to do so either. They are doing so as individuals rather than "leaders" or simply basketball players. But the NBA organization is just nasty, very cringey and obvious what they are doing. If they gave a fuck about free speech or anything they would have the balls to back people within their organization for showing support for the people of Hong Kong.
 

Dankster Morgan

she don’t call me daddy she call me Grandmaster
Hollywood totally does this too. The crappy soulless Red Dawn remake was supposed to be about China invading America, but they didn't want to offend the Chinese audience, so they changed it in post to North Korea.
Good point! It has actually got much worse recently. In 2013, Dice/EA's Battlefield 4 was their most recent modern game and was centered around China being the worst. I dont know man, I don't see a game like that getting made now, Russia is the popular bad guy once again.
 

Law Hero

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Marlow hit the nail on the head, basically they are pathetic cucks simping for China for the revenue. Then they have the nerve to act like they give a fuck about how people are treated here?

So it either implies that they don't give a fuck about people in China and only care about Americans, or more likely that they are giant pussies with no backbone morally. Which I believe is what Dave was getting at with the hypocrisy, I will not support an organization like that.
Reminds me of J.J. Abrams and Bad Robot always talking about how they want to help end racism and raise awareness for race issues, then turn around and scrub the black people from their posters and remove all traces of homosexuality from their movies for the Chinese audience.

Justice and equality are really important, but not as important as that yuan revenue.
 

Dankster Morgan

she don’t call me daddy she call me Grandmaster
Reminds me of J.J. Abrams and Bad Robot always talking about how they want to help end racism and raise awareness for race issues, then turn around and scrub the black people from their posters and remove all traces of homosexuality from their movies for the Chinese audience.

Justice and equality are really important, but not as important as that yuan revenue.
Movies, games, everything really would be better if creators were empowered to stick to their vision and make it just a fuck it, take it or leave it kind of thing. But a lot of these projects come out so generic and samey because of the strangle hold of appeasing EVERYONE. I think The Last of Us 2 has a shit ton of issues and the shit going on at Naughty Dog behind the scenes, as well as Neil Druckmann himself saying and doing things that are questionable at best.... I still respect them for making the game they wanted to and not being too terrified of disappointing people to tell the story they wanted to tell. Wether that story ended up being great or not (it's a let down imo) is beside the point, it was refreshing to be surprised, angry, and shocked at something. Kind of the opposite of Transformers which has no surprises, is pretty safe and inoffensive, but ultimately does nothing. Then again, at least Micheal Bay doesn't pretend like he is doing anything important. At least Neil Druckmann doesn't pretend that he did anything other than tell his own story because it's what he wanted to do. People like these NBA cucks need to stay in their fucking lane and be the National Basketball Association, nobody wants or needs their empty, meaningless, hollow takes on social injustices.
 

M2Dave

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It’s just wild to me that some of these sports over the years have or had sexual offenders, abusers people who have done some vile things on their roster, but lord forbid people kneel and have some words other than their name on their jersey! Cuz that’s where the line is drawn lmao.
Sexual offenders in sports, particularly in gymnastics, continue to be exposed and charged with sexual abuse. Nobody is charging players who kneel with any crime as there is none. I honestly have no idea what kind of equivalency you are attempting to draw in this case.
 
Sexual offenders in sports, particularly in gymnastics, continue to be exposed and charged with sexual abuse. Nobody is charging players who kneel with any crime as there is none. I honestly have no idea what kind of equivalency you are attempting to draw in this case.
Its not the charges I am focusing on, its the fact that things that should warrant the nba becoming unwatchable don't, and things that shouldn't make it unwatchable apparently do. The point I am making is people like you and others I have seen are actually cancelling the NBA over something that doesn't impact them negatively yet continued to be fans when other things occurred. For example, Karl malone slept with a 13 year old in college and basically abandoned the child that resulted from it, yet he still got drafted highly, nobody really stopped watching the utah jazz or the NBA over that. Jason Kidd plead guilty to a domestic abuse charge and he kept playing just got traded, nobody cancelled the nba over that. Yet when players exercise free speech about black people dying THEN its time to cancel and not watch. People will turn a blind eye to one thing and condone something else. But fine I'll ask you this, why did this make you not want to watch the NBA yet the comments players and coaches made about China didn't? I'll add that some players and coaches have actually apologized for the things they said as well. To me if you were truly a proponent for free speech I would 100% understand you not agreeing with what they are doing but still watching, but to completely stop watching something over things that won't harm you is very suspect to me. I'd think it was strange too if someone choose to stop watching NHL because the majority of the players don't kneel.
 

ChaosTheory

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There is no moral equivalence between a (violent) crime by an individual and what's going on in the NBA.

That's like saying a guy who works works at Home Depot or Best Buy got busted for something similar and kept his job (right or wrong). Would you expect to see a significant fallout of people refusing to shop there?

No, what would be more akin would be if Home Depot or Best Buy had all of their displays showing pro-Trump messages/ads constantly and all the employees wore MAGA hats. Then you'd see people avoid it.

People don't like to be beat over the head with political messaging, especially in places they traditionally go to escape that stuff. NBA ratings have tanked.

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The hypocrisy regarding China and other domestic issues is one thing that doesn't help. I'm convinced 80% of these guys don't really know/care about what this activism is about. A lot of misinformation is spread.

Case in point: Several days ago, Greg Popovich did a presser and was talking about Michael Brown. This is a really influential guy saying stuff like he was shot in the back six times trying to leave. Painting a long since debunked picture.

It's 2020 and "hands up, don't shoot" is still a thing because of shit like that.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

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Here's a point I thought of, as far as disregarding the BLM movement simply because of their founder being a Marxist. It's a bit of a broad point, but I think it's a fair one to make, so maybe I can get an opinion or two on it.

If America was founded by a handful of coked up, slave-owning, Indian-killing white men (which it was), do you base all of your judgements on everyone who's lived in or prospered in America since its' inception from the people who started it?
Would you disregard the importance or merits of those people, their lives, or their beliefs, or what the country itself represents, or the opportunity it provides that is not afford anywhere else, because of how America was founded?

Probably not, right?

So why is it okay for anyone to do that with BLM?

Just curious.
 

CrimsonShadow

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Here's a point I thought of, as far as disregarding the BLM movement simply because of their founder being a Marxist. It's a bit of a broad point, but I think it's a fair one to make, so maybe I can get an opinion or two on it.

If America was founded by a handful of coked up, slave-owning, Indian-killing white men (which it was), do you base all of your judgements on everyone who's lived in or prospered in America since its' inception from the people who started it?
Would you disregard the importance or merits of those people, their lives, or their beliefs, or what the country itself represents, or the opportunity it provides that is not afford anywhere else, because of how America was founded?

Probably not, right?

So why is it okay for anyone to do that with BLM?

Just curious.
I think it’s kind of weird to compare someone who identifies with neo-marxism (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism) to perpetuators of genocide, just like I wouldn’t compare someone who believes in Democratic Socialism with murderous South American dictators. Or someone who believes in Islam/Christianity with the fundamentalist/radical/extremist fringes of their religion.

It seems like people don’t understand that general schools of thought aren’t automatically equivalent to the most extreme manifestations of individuals who have used them as justification for evil throughout history.

The reason racism is such a big topic is that we're still having so much trouble with it today, in our country. It's not just an equivalency we're trying to draw to things from other nations in decades past.
 

haketh

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Sexual offenders in sports, particularly in gymnastics, continue to be exposed and charged with sexual abuse. Nobody is charging players who kneel with any crime as there is none. I honestly have no idea what kind of equivalency you are attempting to draw in this case.
If a sport primarily played by Black people having a lot of those Black people support a movement for Black Lives makes you find the NBA bear Unwatcheable when they don’t talk about it all that much on broadcast I need you just admit what you’re actual problem is instead of tip toeing lmao.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

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I think it’s kind of weird to compare someone who identifies with neo-marxism (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism) to perpetuators of genocide, just like I wouldn’t compare someone who believes in Democratic Socialism with murderous South American dictators. Or someone who believes in Islam/Christianity with the fundamentalist/radical/extremist fringes of their religion.

It seems like people don’t understand that general schools of thought aren’t automatically equivalent to the most extreme manifestations of individuals who have used them as justification for evil throughout history.

The reason racism is such a big topic is that we're still having so much trouble with it today, in our country. It's not just an equivalency we're trying to draw to things from other nations in decades past.
That's total facts. What I mean is that there's a false equivalency like a motherfucker between disregarding the BLM movement and all the good it's doing because of who it was founded by, while simultaneously praising the fortune and prosperity of America in spite of how it came into existence.
 

NHDR

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I've been watching NBA because I'm just really glad to have basketball back, but the league is definitely full of shit. They've been very mum on the Hong Kong issue because of how much China has invested in them, but they've gone full politics with respect to BLM. Normally I wouldn't have an issue with this but they disciplined people for having an opinion regarding Hong Kong (ex. Rockets GM).

Basketball player and follower since 6th grade but this is bulllllllshit.
 

Dankster Morgan

she don’t call me daddy she call me Grandmaster
I've been watching NBA because I'm just really glad to have basketball back, but the league is definitely full of shit. They've been very mum on the Hong Kong issue because of how much China has invested in them, but they've gone full politics with respect to BLM. Normally I wouldn't have an issue with this but they disciplined people for having an opinion regarding Hong Kong (ex. Rockets GM).

Basketball player and follower since 6th grade but this is bulllllllshit.
Exactly, people who support BLM should be smart enough to see through the NBA and that its obvious that it has nothing to do with their moral code, them backing BLM and not backing Hong Kong is purely financial.