F Champ Receives Lifetime Ban, Racism in the FGC/USA, and Other Prevalent Social Discussions

[KingHippo]

You're not going to get an argument from me an argument that a hapless Democratic Party has most certainly contributed a massive amount to the system that has disproportionately affected black people, but the Republican party (and like Crimson said, most people use the term conservative/Republican interchangeably, which does muddy things) has specifically made it a platform since the 60's when Barry Goldwater ran against Lyndon Johnson on the sole basis of opposing the Civil Rights act, fiscal conservatism focusing on worship of the market, militant anti-communism through armed intervention, and preaching restrictive, anti-black politics under the guise of "State's Rights." That he got his back blown out didn't matter, as the party pushed further and further on this angle, leading to Ronald Reagan winning the presidency, who had similar sentiments.

Naturally, that legacy is hard to shake, and the more the party supports restricting basic civil rights and advocating for the smallest percentage of people to hold all the money and effectively engineer the direction of the country, you're going to have people who are affected by those policies to be massively hostile to people who would share those views. And if you vote Republican and support those politicians, you do, by proxy, support those positions.

 

[Obly]

I will quickly say, the internet is both great and also absolutely horrible. The internet has basically all the info you ever need, but also, algorithms exist that kind force you into echo chambers even if you didn’t intend to be in one.

Just wanted to chime in to say that this made me laugh and groan at the same time. Because it's so true. I personally try to avoid all the various ditto-head shows and media on both sides of the aisle--not out of disinterest in politics but mostly because I find cherry-picked, hyperbolic, deliberately distorted, self-confirming babble of any stripe to be intolerable, even when I agree with the political leaning.

And yet there are days when I swear my YT feed recommends more and more ditto-head content the less I click on it. It's like it's determined to pigeonhole my political leanings so it can serve me the perfect ads, and it's infuriated that I won't give it more data. Surveillance economy we live in, I guess.

Very sorry to hear about your father. Hope you can all find a way to be together even with everything going on.

 

[Marinjuana]

Well done on saying a whole lot of nothing. Here is the timeline of events:

- JK Rowling makes transphobic comment (and they are transphobic, you’ve got many trans people saying so)

- Children news website says her comments are harmful to trans people

- She threatens legal action against them thus forcing them to apologise and pay her an unsubstantiated amount of money - essentially stifling their free speech.

All whilst this is going on she signs a letter advocating free speech. Do you understand?

I understand that you have this childish notion that "many of the free speech advocates want to just say harmful shit and get away with it with ZERO repercussions" and that you believe JK Rowling's individual opinions are representative of large swathes of people.

But hey, if you want to argue that the existence of libel suits stifle free speech, I'm listening!

 

[Dankster Morgan]

JK Rowling is clearly a full fledged retard, free speech is something anyone values. What some people think free speech is however, are calls to action and things like yelling "fire" in public. Anyone is welcome to censor anything they own however the fuck they want because they own it, such as youtube or twitter execs, that's how that works. In the public space, you are allowed to say anything you want as long as there isn't a call for action, which also means the inverse, you are subject to any ridicule and consequences for what you say.... Yes, some people are just pussies and shouldn't reproduce, but just as many people screeching about their rights being violated when they don't fully understand what free speech is are just as bad. As far as I know, F Champ and people like him have not been jailed or fined for what they have said, although they have suffered SOCIAL consequences, their freedom of speech isn't being infringed on. Nick Cannon is obviously a full blown fucking racist shit head but he isn't being jailed or fined by the government either. Am I missing something?

 

[ItsYaBoi]

I understand that you have this childish notion that "many of the free speech advocates want to just say harmful shit and get away with it with ZERO repercussions" and that you believe JK Rowling's individual opinions are representative of large swathes of people.

But hey, if you want to argue that the existence of libel suits stifle free speech, I'm listening!

I laid it out in such a way that a 5 year old could follow the timeline, and yet somehow you still don’t get it.

Libel suit because they said her harmful comments were harmful? How fucking pathetic of her. Anybody who is a SERIOUS free speech advocate (which she claims to be) wouldn’t abuse the law in such a way, because that is downright sad and very suppressive of light criticism (some Great Leader shit that is).

Do you think what she did was justified? Do you not think it shows a glaring hypocrisy in her logic? Again, bear in mind this is a small time children’s news website. It’s a purely egotistical move on her behalf to stifle any criticism of her. But the ‘free speech advocates‘ don’t give a shit when it’s one of their own ‘figureheads’ suppressing it, just like the 2A nuts who stay quiet when the government is literally sweeping up the streets without identification and beating the shit out of peaceful protesters. All is according to plan when it works in their favour and promotes their side.

It ain’t fooling anybody.

 

[Espio]

Proclaiming you are a moderate doesn't make you a moderate.

People like to label themselves as moderates because it creates an air of "I'm above the fray and I'm logical while those I debate with are not". It's a cute parlor trick and ego stroke, but that's about it.

 

[Marinjuana]

I laid it out in such a way that a 5 year old could follow the timeline, and yet somehow you still don’t get it.

Libel suit because they said her harmful comments were harmful? How fucking pathetic of her. Anybody who is a SERIOUS free speech advocate (which she claims to be) wouldn’t abuse the law in such a way, because that is downright sad and very suppressive of light criticism (some Great Leader shit that is).

Do you think what she did was justified? Do you not think it shows a glaring hypocrisy in her logic? Again, bear in mind this is a small time children’s news website. It’s a purely egotistical move on her behalf to stifle any criticism of her. But the ‘free speech advocates‘ don’t give a shit when it’s one of their own ‘figureheads’ suppressing it, just like the 2A nuts who stay quiet when the government is literally sweeping up the streets without identification and beating the shit out of peaceful protesters. All is according to plan when it works in their favour and promotes their side.

It ain’t fooling anybody.

You seemingly can't see past JK Rowling. If David Duke says he supports free speech, public schools and pot legalization(he probably doesn't support all of those things), am I supposed to justify why I agree with a horrible man like David Duke? Of course not, those are easily justifiable positions. JK Rowling signed on the Harper's open debate letter along with over one hundred others, some more distinguished than others. Because of certain individuals included and excluded, that letter has been criticized, and that's okay. JK Rowling is just a popular figure with controversial opinions about trans people who is known for writing books about a boy wizard. I like her books(never read past Order of Phoenix), but I doubt many people see her as a "figurehead" of some free speech movement. She's almost irrelevant to me as a person, like Flavor Flav.

It's just an exercise in willing laziness to frame this the way you did, I don't need to retype it any more. In a time where some people are advocating for the government to regulate speech, and where normal discourse is full of polarizing taboos, the need for open discussion (and yes, free speech) is extremely important. Random examples of unscrupulous individuals shouldn't detract from a cause that is just and ideas that are logical.

 

[KingHippo]

Well the Government is doing that by throwing protestors in unmarked vans and charging them for bullshit, can we get a Harper's Letter about that please

 

[Marinjuana]

Well the letter came out before the DHS unleashed their hounds but even then it talked about the value of protests against police brutality. But hey, write a letter denouncing what is happening in Portland and I'll give you my signature of approval. I'm glad to see that the Philadelphia DA is charging cops who blatantly brutalized protestors and is threatening to charge federal law enforcement for misconduct, if they come. Feel like I'm just sharing this to throw a bone to some of you so that I won't get accused of supporting police thuggery because I'm sympathetic to a viewpoint about open discussion.

 

[KingHippo]

Feel like I'm just sharing this to throw a bone to some of you so that I won't get accused of supporting police thuggery because I'm sympathetic to a viewpoint about open discussion.

Idk about all this, but my point was that while NYT writers, political hacks, celebrities, and some esteemed university professors see civil discourse and ideas as the bedrock of society, the DHS has been terrorizing Americans and immigrants alike with fascist tactics since inception, and our state department has been complicit in the subjugation and terrorizing of Palestinians, Brazilians, Venezuelans, Bolivians, and many others, usually by military juntas and authoritarian strongmen who have no consideration or care for the same freedom of speech that we profess to value above all.

I do feel a little bad if BonerJams03 gets unfairly yelled at because he questioned why something was interpreted as transphobic and got yelled at, but I feel like these people's influence could better be served in railing against the actual things that are responsible for the degradation of people's lives, like literally anything else that isn't a completely generic endorsement of free speech.

I have had fun making fun of the signees, but I'm mostly bothered by how many media elites referred to it breathlessly as a powerful document equivalent to the Magna Carta, a bipartisan parting of the Red and Blue seas.

 

[ItsYaBoi]

You seemingly can't see past JK Rowling. If David Duke says he supports free speech, public schools and pot legalization(he probably doesn't support all of those things), am I supposed to justify why I agree with a horrible man like David Duke? Of course not, those are easily justifiable positions. JK Rowling signed on the Harper's open debate letter along with over one hundred others, some more distinguished than others. Because of certain individuals included and excluded, that letter has been criticized, and that's okay. JK Rowling is just a popular figure with controversial opinions about trans people who is known for writing books about a boy wizard. I like her books(never read past Order of Phoenix), but I doubt many people see her as a "figurehead" of some free speech movement. She's almost irrelevant to me as a person, like Flavor Flav.

It's just an exercise in willing laziness to frame this the way you did, I don't need to retype it any more. In a time where some people are advocating for the government to regulate speech, and where normal discourse is full of polarizing taboos, the need for open discussion (and yes, free speech) is extremely important. Random examples of unscrupulous individuals shouldn't detract from a cause that is just and ideas that are logical.

She spearheaded the letter about free speech, which was posted earlier ITT (hence why it’s relevant that she’s now trying to stifle speech). She certainly is considered a figurehead for it - see any of the replies from right wing commentators to her offensive tweets in which they praise her.

How do you STILL not understand this? Stop trying to shift it to other people, I’m putting the focus on JK Rowling because of her presence in the letter and how her recent actions directly oppose its contents and intention.

This forum is a chore sometimes, jfc.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

This forum is a chore sometimes, jfc.

Can't let the fight exhaust you, B. That's how Ben Shapiro and JK Rowling win. We are the watchers on the wall of West Baltimore, and we've gotta keep banging the drums no matter how convoluted the shit gets.

Idk about all this, but my point was that while NYT writers, political hacks, celebrities, and some esteemed university professors see civil discourse and ideas as the bedrock of society, the DHS has been terrorizing Americans and immigrants alike with fascist tactics since inception, and our state department has been complicit in the subjugation and terrorizing of Palestinians, Brazilians, Venezuelans, Bolivians, and many others, usually by military juntas and authoritarian strongmen who have no consideration or care for the same freedom of speech that we profess to value above all.

I do feel a little bad if BonerJams03 gets unfairly yelled at because he questioned why something was interpreted as transphobic and got yelled at, but I feel like these people's influence could better be served in railing against the actual things that are responsible for the degradation of people's lives, like literally anything else that isn't a completely generic endorsement of free speech.

I have had fun making fun of the signees, but I'm mostly bothered by how many media elites referred to it breathlessly as a powerful document equivalent to the Magna Carta, a bipartisan parting of the Red and Blue seas.

100% agreed.
I tried to make points similar to your DHS comparison about the Republican Party setting the entire stage for cancel culture in the early 2000's and having no fucks to give about anyone not under their umbrella and got brushed off for being too radical and poking too many holes in people's non-existent points. I am here for all the Hippo knowledge and big words.

 

[Juggs]

Not sure how accurate the political compass test is, but decided to do it. Here’s my results:


Here’s the link to the test: https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Not sure how accurate the political compass test is, but decided to do it. Here’s my results:
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Here’s the link to the test: https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

HA. We're chart neighbors, bro.

 

[M2Dave]

 

[Swindle]

It's one of those Venn diagram situations: Not every Conservative/Republican/Right-winger is a racist, but probably darn close to all racists are politically Conservative/Republican/Right-leaning. I agree people shouldn't make assumptions, but the two value systems have definitely become more in lockstep over time.

I don't think it's because conservative doctrine is, in and of itself (at least boiled down to its philosophical essence), racist. It's mostly because a few decades ago, the Republican party saw an opportunity for political gain and made a conscious decision to court the support of whites who felt threatened by the legal and cultural movement to empower people of color in the U.S.. And of course a lot of that animosity specifically had to do with fear that empowering people of color was a threat to white economic livelihood.

So it's not that conservatism is racism. But racism and economic beliefs have really begun to go hand-in-hand, and the Republican party went out of its way to stoke that fear and anger, and thereby made itself a comfortable home for the country's racists. There's a good historical overview piece on FiveThirtyEight: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-republican-choice/.

As for your friend, well, people can choose to support a particular political figure for a variety of reasons. I'd assume your friend doesn't hate his own race (I'm assuming he's Black), but it does make you curious what he sees in Trump that's so compelling that he's willing to ignore Trump's blatant white supremacist rhetoric and policy.

This Obly kid is alright.

 

[ChaosTheory]

Bernell Trammell was gunned down allegedly in a drive-by shooting. He did a video interview earlier that day praising Trump among other things. Apparently had gotten into with people that didn't like his signs in front of his office in the past.

J.K. Rowling says harmful shit.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

This endless obsession with a false left vs. right dichotomy is part of what keeps us from actually solving problems here.

The world doesn’t work along a linear scale.

 

[Scoot Magee]

I see people talking about mentioning solutions. Here are some things I think would be beneficial to society as a whole. Don't count on me being very articulate.

Ending or at least dramatically relaxing the war on drugs.

The welfare system needs to be replaced or reformed. Too many people are punished for trying to work their way out of poverty. Currently it promotes reliance. Some refer to this as the "welfare trap".

We need more politicians that are actually concerned with the national debt.

I'm generally more right/libertarian leaning. Would love me some low taxes lol.

 

[ItsYaBoi]

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Bernell Trammell was gunned down allegedly in a drive-by shooting. He did a video interview earlier that day praising Trump among other things. Apparently had gotten into with people that didn't like his signs in front of his office in the past.

J.K. Rowling says harmful shit.

Great reductivism. Step away from your computer because children are starving elsewhere in the world. See? I can bring up irrelevant stuff too. Serious clown moment.

RIP to that man, would never wish death on him.

 

[ChaosTheory]

RIP to that man, would never wish death on him.

Right. But he kinda had something coming, huh? Can't have people spreading hateful rhetoric and getting away with it.

"Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences." ~ dudes in this thread

Spread the message that words or opposing ideas are violence against you and eventually they'll be met with real violence.



But like you said, this example is irrelevant. Just another distraction. Keep your eyes on the prize.

 

[KingHippo]

Do you really think the consequences people had in mind was murder, or are you willfully being obtuse just to be a contrarian?

 

[ItsYaBoi]

Right. But he kinda had something coming, huh? Can't have people spreading hateful rhetoric and getting away with it.

"Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences." ~ dudes in this thread

Spread the message that words or opposing ideas are violence against you and eventually they'll be met with real violence.

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But like you said, this example is irrelevant. Just another distraction. Keep your eyes on the prize.

Holy fucking shit you’re the entire circus. How the fuck have you managed to link people saying ITT that people shouldn’t be free of consequences to their speech to them being fucking MURDERED? In fact, can you quote where anybody advocated that in this thread? Just one teensy quote pls, thanks.

You spinning like Crash Bandicoot fam. Hold that giant fucking L (you finally moved on from JK Rowling realising you’d lost that point as well, glad you indirectly admitted defeat there breh). Oof.

 

[ChaosTheory]

Do you really think the consequences people had in mind was murder, or are you willfully being obtuse just to be a contrarian?

Willfully obtuse. But not to be contrarian. Poking fun at an extrapolation of a principle.

It's not about the extremity of an individual case. But on the subject of perpetuating messages that cause harm, I found it interesting.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Right. But he kinda had something coming, huh? Can't have people spreading hateful rhetoric and getting away with it.

"Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences." ~ dudes in this thread

Spread the message that words or opposing ideas are violence against you and eventually they'll be met with real violence.

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But like you said, this example is irrelevant. Just another distraction. Keep your eyes on the prize.

I think I'm just going to make like a tree and throw myself down the fucking stairs.

I don't even know where to start.
But I know where to end.
At the bottom of the stairs.

You're poking fun at the extrapolation of a dead man. And i disagree with everything Trumpian on a humane and fundamental level, but that's some next level shit.

Never wish death on your enemy. Wish for them to be so completely and soundly defeated and humiliated that they never think to take up arms for their cause of absurdity again, but never that they lose their life over it. And implying that anyone here would think it's okay for him to be gunned down over his signage is genuinely fucked up.