@Second Saint ,
@Dankster Morgan : Wow, these shootings... - I can only imagine what a shock it must have been. I hope you're all right and all your loved ones are safe too. I try to always understand the people I am discussing with better; to me it seems like a matter of respect. That's why I want you to ask for something: Would you send me a link to some background information to said shootings? - Thanks in advance; and I am glad that at least you two seem to be fine.
And
@Second Saint : No, I don't think that you take violence lightly. Maybe
too lightly, but not lightly. - I still think that your approach is wrong though.
Then again: Now that I understand your background better (e.g. the horrible thing with the Wal-Mart shooting), I might start to understand your opinion better as well. Your priority seems to be that such an incident won't happen ever again. And you don't see a way to achieve this goal other than acts of violence (under certain circumstances). - Behind your opinion is the story of a person who only means well (for himself, but also for others). I wholeheartedly respect that, also because I share the very same ultimate goal (even so I try to achieve it by other means).
@Baconlord,
@ItsYaBoi : Actually I do think that you can sit down and talk it out with almost everyone. I think that every Nazi has his personal story. Even White Supremacists - within their twisted world of values - want to do the "
right" thing. Now I wonder what their background story might be. Probably it is a pretty bad one, if it makes them believe that hatred is the most fulfilling thing in the lives. However my belief is:
Especially sad people can change if you sincerely listen to their story and show them more positive ways of life.
@ItsYaBoi : We both have very different attitudes about how we deal with discourse. If you are stuck in a discourse, then you think that this has to be the mistake of the other (!) not to be convinced. If I am stuck in a discourse, then I see it as my very own mistake, because my arguments are not convincing.
I am not surprised that you (or
@trufenix) don't get very far with your arguments. - The thing is: Even valid arguments are filtered by recipients, if they don't
want to listen to the senders. Now I ask you: Would you be willed to
anything a person has to say, if said person would begin with the following statement: "
If you refuse to be convinced, I see it as my right to crush your teeth." - This is pretty much what you just said.
So your arguments (and propably also those of
@M2Dave, who obviously is quite an intelligent person with impressive rhetoric skills, but who is still demonized by plenty of the left-leaning people in here) would have more impact, if they were presented in a more palpable and acceptable way.
To round things up: This is also the reason why I hardly reply to
@Lt. Boxy Angelman . I really don't think that his arguments were convincing at all. However, his passion is unmatched. Just look at his unique way of texting, that shouts "creativity" and "idealism". This makes it hard for me to believe that he would ever really commit to an act of violence (unless maybe someone would be nasty to his daughter, which hopefully never happen, while she becomes the famous streamer that she wants to be and who seems to be lucky for having a Dad who passes on his very own passions for video games). - So in my eyes, good Sir, you are still an integrative person, who seems to be inspiring to those around you. Yes, many of your arguments are bogus. But in your case I cannot put every word on the gold scale. Your heart seems to be at the right spot. People like you are glue to the MK-community.
Edit: While I was writing my post,
@Onryoki has written something very similar; once again we seem to have similar opinions on plenty of things I am not gonna start all over again though. Maybe there lies some truth in what the both of us said. To be fair,
@Onryoki , even though the both of us share plenty of ideals: You can be quite a provocateur yourself though!
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