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I mean, that's actually not that crazy, but if that's the case you're likely talking about someone who's income is in the 8 figures range, so I think they'll be able to get by without too much discomfort.
I mean, that's actually not that crazy, but if that's the case you're likely talking about someone who's income is in the 8 figures range, so I think they'll be able to get by without too much discomfort.
When someone left leaning like myself and others in this thread advocates for violence, it's for self defense and a long term harm reduction. It's definitely not our first option, and I can reasonably say that it's not an option at all when dealing with the majority of conservatives. I might get a bit heated against people that refuse to see that systemic racism is real, despite the mountains of data pointing to it, but that's ultimately just a bastion of ignorance and violence isn't an option.
abcnews.go.com
Unsurprised. I always figured the DA limited their options or the evidence presented to them, given the outcome.thoughts?
Breonna Taylor grand jury members say they were not presented with homicide charges
The members of a grand jury in the Breonna Taylor case are allowed to speak on the proceedings, a judge has ruled.
Why in tf was a no knock warrant used here. Who ever signed off on that should be charged. That and whoever said this was the residence of the person they were after.thoughts?
Breonna Taylor grand jury members say they were not presented with homicide charges
The members of a grand jury in the Breonna Taylor case are allowed to speak on the proceedings, a judge has ruled.
Nonsense
Actually the far-right uses exactly the same explanatory patterns to justify its views. Just google "self defense against immigration" and see for yourself. Besides quite often the extreme-right claims that racial segregation would lead to "a long term harm reduction".
Okay what do you hear when I say violence as self defense is at times necessary and that free speech requires some limitations or free speech will die that makes you think I want violent political revolution? You keep going to a complete non sequitur of there being no revolution against a democratic nation that was helpful. Can you explain to me how this is a salient point? I don't even disagree with the statement, but it's not relevant.
Here and now I'd say that the threat of violence is by far a greater danger to free speech than those right-wing idiots that also want to limit it. At least in this thread I have seen none, while quite a few left-leaning people are trying to justify acts of violence against political dissidents.
All the clips of violence we've shown have not only been of Nazis, but leaders in alt-right movements that have played roles in organizing the unite the right rally and have activity attempted to radicalize countless people with their platform. You can't sit down and talk with someone like that. The most recent clip shared was of a unite the right organizer getting punched by a counter protester because the dude was trying to start another alt right rally. That dude getting punched played a role in preventing another unite the right rally. Now imo, this instance of violence was a lot more justifiable then when a far right militia tried to kidnap a governor
I think this is the best point that has been made in the last couple pages. At a certain point, civil discourse isn't an option. Im not saying sucker punching the guy like a pussy is the way to do it because I also think there is an arguement to be made that people who don't know better will see him as a victim. But like how the fuck do you have a conversation with a racist or nazi? You can't have an actual debate because then you're giving a certain level of credibility to their argument which can be dangerous depending on who it is, and also assuming they'd be arguing in good faith which can also be a big ask. Not saying id hit the mother fucker but I can see why someone would want to.
Well, I hate to break it to you, but I'm from Texas and those were the exact deeds and actions of the El Paso shooter, who killed 22 people and injured 24 others. He drove from Dallas to El Paso, a pretty damn long way, specifically to kill Mexicans at a Wal-mart to stop the "Hispanic Invasion." This was only a little over a year ago, and I assure you, things have not gotten better. He did it because he believed hispanics were going to take over Texas, turning it blue, and ruin the country. He wanted the US to be divided up into several large ethnostates so that interracial unions wouldn't ruin the purity of his culture. He believed this enough to justify mass murder, and he executed it.
I typically will agree that nothing is gained by avoiding discourse. Read page 101 though if you wanna see why you wouldn't wanna have a conversation with someone who's mind is absolutely stone cold made up about an entire group of people, see the brain damage I was blessed with for trying to see the other perspective. Before that conversation I woulda agreed with you 100% on this, but now I see it's a little more nuanced.
Yeah. Dude who shot up my school in 2017 had swastikas on his body, he wasn't there to talk.
I'm still waiting to hear what the conspicuously quiet people who spent the majority of the thread telling me I wasn't worth debating things with have to say.
I absolutely agree. I work with two avid Trump supporting conservative guys in my store who probably believe stuff I could never bring myself to believe, and we talk every day we're on shift together, about everything from our beliefs, to what we have in common, to MK and the new Mario game pack coming out on the Switch. Outside of the scope of all this, they're two of the nicest and most well-spoken fellas I've met since moving to Tennessee.
I gotta say this happens more often than not in my experience. As a proud weirdo centrist (I like that gonna keep using it), I tend to have pleasant reactions with liberals if I hear them out, and pleasant reactions with conservatives if I respect their privacy. Assuming everyone's socially apt and not insane it isn't half bad.
