F Champ Receives Lifetime Ban, Racism in the FGC/USA, and Other Prevalent Social Discussions

[M2Dave]

But the issue of racism on the whole is not specific to any particular party. We need people on both/all sides to really make progress. Because the A vs. B stalemate goes nowhere -- and we've been seeing that for years.

Please continue preaching a moderate message because our politicians are certainly not doing so. One has proven to know absolutely nothing about African-American communities while the other believes "you ain't black" unless you vote for him.

 

[Swindle]

Name me one think black ppl can't do in this country?

Spell “ thing” properly?

 

[AREZ God of War]

Spell “ thing” properly?

Lmao you are such an ASSHOLE!!!! lololololol

 

[Szinpad]

It's not a meltdown over a Twitter post. It's shitty people being held accountable for their shitty actions for once. How that can be construed as a bad thing by anyone other than maybe people with their own shitty skeletons in the social media closet, I have no earthly idea.

And America had never been a nation of the big bad fearless badasses like it portrays itself to be. It's a country literally founded and built on genocide, slavery, and war, the badass image is nothing but a bad caricature to whitewash all the blood and bodies, and insecure people hiding behind patriotism, guns, and shitty mass manufactured tactical gear so they can call themselves Patriots and pretend they matter is another stupid stereotype I'd love to see done away with in my lifetime, but hey, one problem at a time.

This!

 

[NaCl man]

This was just a dark joke imo.
To say a guy who lives with African Americans as his friends is racist is a contradiction. I don't think there was any bad intent behind this tweet.

Is it a dark/bad joke... yeah

Is this man a racist I would say no.

Was it a silly thing to say in the current environment yeah but I don't think there was any hate behind it.

There may be something I am missing in this and am more than willing to have a respectable convisation about it.

 

[NeonGroovyGator]

This was just a dark joke imo.
To say a guy who lives with African Americans as his friends is racist is a contradiction. I don't think there was any bad intent behind this tweet.

Is it a dark/bad joke... yeah

Is this man a racist I would say no.

Was it a silly thing to say in the current environment yeah but I don't think there was any hate behind it.

There may be something I am missing in this and am more than willing to have a respectable convisation about it.

Having black friends does not make you immune to being racist, I thought people were over this ffs
Besides, look at the timing on that joke. Dude either knew exactly the reaction he was aiming for when he posted that or is EXTREMELY unaware. Either way I don't see how either of those should make him immune to consequences. Especially considering his history.

 

[NaCl man]

Having black friends does not make you immune to being racist, I thought people were over this ffs
Besides, look at the timing on that joke. Dude either knew exactly the reaction he was aiming for when he posted that or is EXTREMELY unaware. Either way I don't see how either of those should make him immune to consequences. Especially considering his history.

Look up the definition of the word before replying

 

[NeonGroovyGator]

Look up the definition of the word before replying

What word, racist or joke? Because you don't seem to quite grasp what either of them mean

 

[NaCl man]

What word, racist or joke? Because you don't seem to quite grasp what either of them mean

Racist please

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

This was just a dark joke imo.
To say a guy who lives with African Americans as his friends is racist is a contradiction. I don't think there was any bad intent behind this tweet.

Is it a dark/bad joke... yeah

Is this man a racist I would say no.

Was it a silly thing to say in the current environment yeah but I don't think there was any hate behind it.

There may be something I am missing in this and am more than willing to have a respectable convisation about it.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, pretty substantial chance it's a duck.

He has a long and divisive history of uncomfortably and unapologetically trashy behavior, and his immediate reaction to all of this was to hide behind friends and family of color, which is a tactic I can tell you both from living among bigots and getting personally involved with one a couple of years ago that is as old as time. She had a black man's name tattooed on her who she'd been involved with years before, but couldn't go an hour without dropping an n-bomb or saying something prejudicial, and used her involvement with him as the shield of "I can't possibly be racist, look at the tattoo!" every time she wanted to spout some ugly shit.

If he really wasn't as bad as he's perceived to be, his apology wouldn't have been the disingenuous Use My Close POC As A Shield play. This isn't just about the tweet; it's about the years of dysfunction that preceded it, and the toxic side of gaming culture that allowed it to go on for so long, and I would bet my top, bottom, and middle dollar that a good deal of the people angrily defending him as though it's a bad thing to purge the rolls of people along these offensive lines are just other people who have their own trail of toxicity behind them that they know would doom them were it to be brought to light.

 

[Tertian]

This was just a dark joke imo.
To say a guy who lives with African Americans as his friends is racist is a contradiction. I don't think there was any bad intent behind this tweet.

Is it a dark/bad joke... yeah

Is this man a racist I would say no.

Was it a silly thing to say in the current environment yeah but I don't think there was any hate behind it.

There may be something I am missing in this and am more than willing to have a respectable convisation about it.

I thought we as a culture were beyond the point of proving that "I have black friends so I can't be racist" is BS. The "black friends defense" is such a bs excuse it has become a trope.

Proximity to people of color does not immunize people from doing racist stuff.

As for the rest of your argument. Asking for the strict definition of a word so you can pick apart a nuanced discussion is a bs move.

The below article sums up better than I can what casual racism is.

User account | Racism. It Stops With Me

itstopswithme.humanrights.gov.au

I would argue that making a joke like that in this particular climate on a highly visible (40k followers) social media platform makes it a little more than casual.

Regardless, that makes the question, if you do something racist, does that make you a racist?

Yes. We need to be anti-racist and anyone who makese the conscious choice to contribute to racism, even if it's a "joke" is part of the problem.

If your core argument is that you can't call someone a racist because they did something racist one time, this is not his first time swimming in that pool.

 

[NHDR]

I don't think he intended to be racist, more like it was an extremely stupid joke at an extremely bad time. The guy has made a living off of being a "villain" in the FGC, so I think he just took it too far and assumed people would know he was joking.

That said, I'm not black, so its not really for me to decide.

 

[NaCl man]

I thought we as a culture were beyond the point of proving that "I have black friends so I can't be racist" is BS. The "black friends defense" is such a bs excuse it has become a trope.

Proximity to people of color does not immunize people from doing racist stuff.

As for the rest of your argument. Asking for the strict definition of a word so you can pick apart a nuanced discussion is a bs move.

The below article sums up better than I can what casual racism is.

User account | Racism. It Stops With Me

itstopswithme.humanrights.gov.au

I would argue that making a joke like that in this particular climate on a highly visible (40k followers) social media platform makes it a little more than casual.

Regardless, that makes the question, if you do something racist, does that make you a racist?

Yes. We need to be anti-racist and anyone who makese the conscious choice to contribute to racism, even if it's a "joke" is part of the problem.

If your core argument is that you can't call someone a racist because they did something racist one time, this is not his first time swimming in that pool.

Look I agree that it was a bad joke at a bad time no doubt. Yes this guy is a moron and has shown us this many times but I don't think he believes that his race is superior the the black race which is the definition of racism.

This is a very bad time and the evidence I have seen is that there is racial profiling I america which is plain wrong. This was shown to me by a video of an African American fibi agent who was raciciy profiled and bodied these terrible cops who said he looks like a guy who had a warrant.

I have no doubt this reaction is for a reason but I don't see how in this particular case he could be considered racist.

It was very dumb to post such an ignorant post.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

This was just a dark joke imo.
To say a guy who lives with African Americans as his friends is racist is a contradiction. I don't think there was any bad intent behind this tweet.

It's not, 'dark', it's racist.

Dark jokes are making humor out of death and stuff, not making fun of movements for equality by posting overtly racist stereotypes with extremely painful historical connotations.

I don't care what your 'intent' was if you're stabbing people, for example. You can't just pull the knife out and say "Hey bro, I didn't mean any harm, learn to laugh a little!" Not funny.

 

[Tertian]

Look I agree that it was a bad joke at a bad time no doubt. Yes this guy is a moron and has shown us this many times but I don't think he believes that his race is superior the the black race which is the definition of racism.

This is a very bad time and the evidence I have seen is that there is racial profiling I america which is plain wrong. This was shown to me by a video of an African American fibi agent who was raciciy profiled and bodied these terrible cops who said he looks like a guy who had a warrant.

I have no doubt this reaction is for a reason but I don't see how in this particular case he could be considered racist.

It was very dumb to post such an ignorant post.

Doesn't seem like you read the article I linked then. So I'll post an excerpt.

How is it (Casual racism) different from other types of racism?​

Some associate racism with a belief in racial superiority or deliberate acts of discrimination. Casual racism concerns not so much a belief in the superiority of races but negative prejudice or stereotypes concerning race.​

Unlike overt and intentional acts of racism, casual racism isn’t often intended to cause offence or harm.​

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Doesn’t the lack of intent mean that casual racism isn't really racism?​

One of the obstacles to having an open conversation about race is the tendency to downplay things as not “truly” or “really” racist. This can embolden or encourage prejudice.​

You don’t need to subscribe to doctrines of racial superiority or incite racial violence to say or do something with racist implications.​

Racism is as much about impact as it is about intention. We shouldn’t forget about those who are on the receiving end of discrimination.​

​

If people have such care and concern over someone being labeled a racist, given his actions i'm proposing a concession.

Maybe just call him a "casual racist" or a "Part-time racist", "Seasonal worker for the department of racism" maybe a "Dabbler in the arts of racism" is more poetic.

No wait, "Lieutenant Govenor in Charge of Racially Insensitive tweets".... probably too lengthy to fit on a plaque.

 

[Marlow]

Look I agree that it was a bad joke at a bad time no doubt. Yes this guy is a moron and has shown us this many times but I don't think he believes that his race is superior the the black race which is the definition of racism.

It was certainly a racist joke. Whether F Champ meant it to be racist or whether he was ignorant and was just thinking he was posting something to be funny, who knows. I think the problem though is that even if he was just ignorant, that type of ignorance is still very hurtful since it basically turns a blind eye and deaf ear to a number of problems that still exist in society.

 

[Marlow]

I always feel bad when I go to reply to someone, and then by the time I finish my reply 2-3 other people have already done it. Feels like piling on.

 

[Cobainevermind87]

I always feel bad when I go to reply to someone, and then by the time I finish my reply 2-3 other people have already done it. Feels like piling on.

Meh. Just one of the things that go along with posting on a public forum. We all know going in that people are going to respond to things we post, especially in a thread of this nature.

If one can't handle others' opinions, then one shouldn't post.

 

[NaCl man]

It's not, 'dark', it's racist.

Dark jokes are making humor out of death and stuff, not making fun of movements for equality by posting overtly racist stereotypes with extremely painful historical connotations.

I don't care what your 'intent' was if you're stabbing people, for example. You can't just pull the knife out and say "Hey bro, I didn't mean any harm, learn to laugh a little!" Not funny.

Doesn't seem like you read the article I linked then. So I'll post an excerpt.

How is it (Casual racism) different from other types of racism?​

Some associate racism with a belief in racial superiority or deliberate acts of discrimination. Casual racism concerns not so much a belief in the superiority of races but negative prejudice or stereotypes concerning race.​

Unlike overt and intentional acts of racism, casual racism isn’t often intended to cause offence or harm.​

​

​

Doesn’t the lack of intent mean that casual racism isn't really racism?​

One of the obstacles to having an open conversation about race is the tendency to downplay things as not “truly” or “really” racist. This can embolden or encourage prejudice.​

You don’t need to subscribe to doctrines of racial superiority or incite racial violence to say or do something with racist implications.​

Racism is as much about impact as it is about intention. We shouldn’t forget about those who are on the receiving end of discrimination.​

​

If people have such care and concern over someone being labeled a racist, given his actions i'm proposing a concession.

Maybe just call him a "casual racist" or a "Part-time racist", "Seasonal worker for the department of racism" maybe a "Dabbler in the arts of racism" is more poetic.

No wait, "Lieutenant Govenor in Charge of Racially Insensitive tweets".... probably too lengthy to fit on a plaque.

Thanks for replying with this. I can see the other side of the argument now. I do agree that it was a very ssilly statement and now understand how insensitive this was.
Thanks for the great replays again .

 

[NaCl man]

I guess I was looking at it differently but after what I have read I now feel differently.

I have a lot of friends from different race, religion and ethnicity and as friends we 'll rip on each other about said differences all the time.

I saw this as the same sort of thing.

Thanks again for showing me another side to it

I didn't mean any harm by my statements.

Just wanted a legit discussion and I think I got that

 

[Tertian]

Thanks for replying with this. I can see the other side of the argument now. I do agree that it was a very ssilly statement and now understand how insensitive this was.
Thanks for the great replays again .

I guess I was looking at it differently but after what I have read I now feel differently.

I have a lot of friends from different race, religion and ethnicity and as friends we 'll rip on each other about said differences all the time.

I saw this as the same sort of thing.

Thanks again for showing me another side to it

I didn't mean any harm by my statements.

Just wanted a legit discussion and I think I got that

In all fairness I can get a little heated about this topic so I apologize If I went overboard in my response.

To your point, context plays a part e.g. ripping on friends in a private setting.

No harm in discussing it, So it's all good.

 

[NaCl man]

All good man.

As I said I come from an area I sydney that has a massive multicultural demographic. My friends are from all over the world and we talk a lot of shit about our different backgrounds. In saying that if any of them need me I'm there. No questions.

That's how I was looking at this situation but after reading what has been posted I can see that this is not always the case.

A bit of ignorance on my behalf.

 

[KiD INsAnitY]

oh well gud , Fuck’him

 

[kantboy-2]

So, Skullgirls is still going to be a tournament game at online Evo and Sonicfox is still going to participate in it?

 

[NeonGroovyGator]

All good man.

As I said I come from an area I sydney that has a massive multicultural demographic. My friends are from all over the world and we talk a lot of shit about our different backgrounds. In saying that if any of them need me I'm there. No questions.

That's how I was looking at this situation but after reading what has been posted I can see that this is not always the case.

A bit of ignorance on my behalf.

I have a massive amount of respect for anyone who is actually open to listen and change opinions on the internet, especially in times like these. Sorry if I came off as a jerk before.