Ermac General Discussion Thread

[Krayzie]

Ermac's not for noobs, Ermac takes skill at high level...

Any character takes some sort of skill to be played at a high level...

And out of all of those characters, Ermac is one of the easiest to use...

 

[ETC AdmiralAugustus]

Any character takes some sort of skill to be played at a high level...

And out of all of those characters, Ermac is one of the easiest to use...

This. Don't be ashamed of it! We get to use telekinetic powers, and that shit's ill.

 

[Krayzie]

This. Don't be ashamed of it! We get to use telekinetic powers, and that shit's ill.

"WE" make comebacks.

http://www.justin.tv/offcast/b/287882186

1:32:00

 

[ETC AdmiralAugustus]

"WE" make comebacks.

Lol, and that's how it's done Bone, good shit.

 

[MKF30]

Any character takes some sort of skill to be played at a high level...

And out of all of those characters, Ermac is one of the easiest to use...

Disagree, Liu Kang is just as Easy and so is Kung Lao....other day I was playing around with Kung Lao for fun, 5 minutes I did a 34% combo with ease lol. No wonder he got uber nerfed....and let's not forget Raiden, Superman, teleport, grab/50/50 mix up combo, rinse and repeat.

People only say Ermac is easy because they can't handle his TK push....

It's like I've always said, Ermac may be easier to pick up and play casually (like a lot of others in the game) but hard to master. So far everyone that's won a tourney has won with Kung Lao, Raiden or Kabal(granted it was pre patch but still) I've yet to see anyone go thru everyone with just Ermac alone....til then I won't be convinced. That is all.

 

[Kickzilla]

I find sub z easier to use

 

[ETC AdmiralAugustus]

Disagree, Liu Kang is just as Easy and so is Kung Lao....other day I was playing around with Kung Lao for fun, 5 minutes I did a 34% combo with ease lol. No wonder he got uber nerfed....and let's not forget Raiden, Superman, teleport, grab/50/50 mix up combo, rinse and repeat.

People only say Ermac is easy because they can't handle his TK push....

I don't think anyone in this game is "hard" to use. I would say it's hard to master a character, but 5 mins. in the lab making combos is not something to base a characters difficulty on. Any character's combos can be easy, if practiced enough. Hell, I can land Shang Tsung's upskull, jp.1,2,2,1, close skull, midskull, exskull, close skull in practice with my eyes closed.

Here's the thing, you say it's easy to do: Superman, teleport, grab/50/50 mixup combo, and then rinse and repeat, but why is TKS, jk.4, TP, 2,2, TelePush any different? The timing is never hard (offline), and it's pretty much a rinse and repeat. Sure, you can throw in things like a TelePush w/o the 2,2, to make it unbreakable at that point, but is that really hard to do? BnB's are pretty generic, because they're, well, Bread and Butters

 

[Jer]

i dont think we are really talking easy to use in terms on the combos,

i think mkf30 is thinking more along the lines of utility.
ermac is easy to use because when the game came out no one was used to the range and how exactly tkp and tkl work
same as for raiden and kung, they have easier times getting in on characters due to their utility

-zaf posting on jers acc

also id like to add i found something pretty cool.

i dont always do j.k teleport after a TKL
recently i have been dashing under people after tkl and using f4, but switching directions with it
once you are under them, use the input as though you were on the other side of them and it comes out fine. this tends to mess with people, not allowing them to breaker properly as they have to input that as well since the direction changes. the reason why i do that instead of finish the combo is because you get a free 50/50 after and i can usually get a lot more damage output this way.

 

[MKF30]

I don't think anyone in this game is "hard" to use. I would say it's hard to master a character, but 5 mins. in the lab making combos is not something to base a characters difficulty on. Any character's combos can be easy, if practiced enough. Hell, I can land Shang Tsung's upskull, jp.1,2,2,1, close skull, midskull, exskull, close skull in practice with my eyes closed.

Here's the thing, you say it's easy to do: Superman, teleport, grab/50/50 mixup combo, and then rinse and repeat, but why is TKS, jk.4, TP, 2,2, TelePush any different? The timing is never hard (offline), and it's pretty much a rinse and repeat. Sure, you can throw in things like a TelePush w/o the 2,2, to make it unbreakable at that point, but is that really hard to do? BnB's are pretty generic, because they're, well, Bread and Butters

I'm saying, though some characters are easier to pick up and play then others and most people who bitch about Ermac "being easy supposedly" are often Raiden or Kung Lao users which is ironic since they're also easy to win with in that sense of annoying moves.

Now, I've been saying and much like Jer stated in terms of strategy and utility people like Kung Lao, Raiden, Ermac etc are easier to pick up and play but it's also easier to zone with them compared to other characters in the game. Still, it doesn't mean they're easy to master....I've said this before, easy to pick up and play, hard to master. I for example have no trouble with Ermac players, yet a lot of people do....perhaps this is because I can read him well or perhaps it's because I'm an Ermac player myself and know what's coming...who knows, point is Ermac isn't the most annoying and easiest character to use in the game. I mean, look at the nerfs even...Kung Lao, Raiden have had more work done to them then Ermac. Ermac just had his % damage tweaked and his 22 into TKS removed, that's it. And on launch his infinite removed but that was first day which nobody even knew about anyway so I'm not even counting that....Kung Lao for example has had move properties tweaked, % damage nerfed, infinites fixed, hat loops fixed, multiple dart kicks in corner fixed...it really isn't comparable so this is why I shake my head whenever someone says "Ermac is the most powerful guy in the game and easiest to use" not true at all...


Now concerning Raiden, also while I'm not saying that's not a bad tactic with Raiden I am saying it's easier then those Ermac combos you posted....half the time I see even good Ermac players missing the dash in 22 at times, where as Raiden's teleport, grab or teleport combo mix up is easy as pie. My point is, Raiden and others have just as annoying or easily spammable moves besides Ermac's "TK push" that's his BnB move to keep foes away being as how he's a range character to begin with. Besides, you can always break the first 4-5 hits or so with Ermac's punch or jump in combos into teleport BEFORE the psychic moves...just saying, if you wait until he does a TK move then say "I can't break it" when you could have before that point, that's your fault all I'm saying lol. Every character has generic BnB combos...not just ermac. Ermac has among the most highest damage wise or had they nerfed him but he still has some nice ones.

My ultimate point is this...on Ermac. Is he good? Yes, is he the best in the game because he's one of the easier characters to use casually? No. Bottom line. Plus, to be fair most tournaments so far if not all of them were won by non-Ermac users but rather Kung Lao, Raiden, Kabal users. Granted, I know it was pre-recent patch but still....it's not like Floe and LI Joe dominate everyone with Ermac in every tournament they're in(yet they're both very good with him) but just saying....

 

[MagicMan357]

think i might pic up ermac for his bogus damage instead of the now severely handy capped kano

 

[zaf]

thing is , against good people it is hard to get in a solid bnb with ermac.
most of his damage comes from high and low mix ups,grabs, poking and tkp
so if you think his damage is ridiculous its for a reason, hes not suppose to get in as much as kung lao or any of the other great rush down chars.

kano is fine imo, all these idiots ranting his ball got nerfed, but why should a character have a move that is unpunishable in the way that his upball was?
use one move over and over and you are such a pro omg..... please.

 

[MagicMan357]

thing is , against good people it is hard to get in a solid bnb with ermac.
most of his damage comes from high and low mix ups,grabs, poking and tkp
so if you think his damage is ridiculous its for a reason, hes not suppose to get in as much as kung lao or any of the other great rush down chars.

kano is fine imo, all these idiots ranting his ball got nerfed, but why should a character have a move that is unpunishable in the way that his upball was?
use one move over and over and you are such a pro omg..... please.

its not his ball its his damage and the fact that he has limited tools
But ermac has alot to unleash on opponents, and simple bnb of his just does mad damage, its BS

Sektor is someone who deserves his damage because you have to take serious risk with him, ermac...nah

He's a G, nobody is hating

 

[Hagen]

no offense to anyone here, but here are SO MANY bullshit threads I dont give a fuck about!
99% of all posts dont help develope ermac and his tactics one bit!
this is a general discussion thread, its okay to talk BS here!

IMO a mod should just close (or better delete) every single thread in here and open new threads for:
a general guide (like STORMS did...THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!!!!!!! just information without unneccessary BS - i like)
every matchup in the game should have its own thread
a combo thread (ONLY THE COMBOS and their damage)
a frame data thread
a labwork thread were everyone can post their knowledge and stuff they found out or work at (like testing certain things, which than can be taken over to the MU threads, combo thread, frame data thread etc.)
a simple question thread, where someone can ask a simple question and can get a simple answer (this would help getting rid of 95% of all the threads here)
a talk about everything thread (where everybody can talk BS, and cry how bad/OP ermac is)

just a little structure would be so much more motivating to work on ermac!

 

[MagicMan357]

no offense to anyone here, but here are SO MANY bullshit threads I dont give a fuck about!
99% of all posts dont help develope ermac and his tactics one bit!
this is a general discussion thread, its okay to talk BS here!

IMO a mod should just close (or better delete) every single thread in here and open new threads for:
a general guide (like STORMS did...THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!!!!!!! just information without unneccessary BS - i like)
every matchup in the game should have its own thread
a combo thread (ONLY THE COMBOS and their damage)
a frame data thread
a labwork thread were everyone can post their knowledge and stuff they found out or work at (like testing certain things, which than can be taken over to the MU threads, combo thread, frame data thread etc.)
a simple question thread, where someone can ask a simple question and can get a simple answer (this would help getting rid of 95% of all the threads here)
a talk about everything thread (where everybody can talk BS, and cry how bad/OP ermac is)

just a little structure would be so much more motivating to work on ermac!

Cool story bro

 

[MKF30]

There's already frame data, guide threads etc ^ for Ermac....this is just to discuss the character in general. But yes, I agree with you on the "Ermac is so easy, the most powerful in the game" bs...especially since it's not true...

 

[MagicMan357]

There's already frame data, guide threads etc ^ for Ermac....this is just to discuss the character in general. But yes, I agree with you on the "Ermac is so easy, the most powerful in the game" bs...especially since it's not true...

and.. he' still easy and really powerful..so?

 

[MKF30]

Ermac isn't that easy-easy though, sure he's easy to pick up and play but so are others in the game but not easy to win with at higher levels no more or less then Kung Lao, Raiden, etc....

And Ermac isn't even considered the top tier guy in the game...sure he's good but Kung Lao, Raiden, Reptile, Kabal, Kitana I can go on and on are also very good and are all capable of beating Ermac and majority in the game when used right. Besides, me personally I don't just use Ermac, I use Sektor, Scorp, Smoke a lot too. Yet they're all totally different tiers but I just enjoy using the ninjas and my fav characters. I plan on using Kenshi too once he's out and Fujin (if he makes it)

 

[MagicMan357]

Ermac isn't that easy-easy though, sure he's easy to pick up and play but so are others in the game but not easy to win with at higher levels no more or less then Kung Lao, Raiden, etc....

And Ermac isn't even considered the top tier guy in the game...sure he's good but Kung Lao, Raiden, Reptile, Kabal, Kitana I can go on and on are also very good and are all capable of beating Ermac and majority in the game when used right. Besides, me personally I don't just use Ermac, I use Sektor, Scorp, Smoke a lot too. Yet they're all totally different tiers but I just enjoy using the ninjas and my fav characters. I plan on using Kenshi too once he's out and Fujin (if he makes it)

I agree, hes not the best but he is one of them. He has alot of options unlike my man kano, but my issue is just his damage. Just way too extreme for little work

But aye, its all good i aint hating! He's a boss

I use Kano (-_-), Smoke, Sektor mainly

 

[zaf]

i agree with you mkf,but people are stubborn and will always view ermac the way they want to regardless of the truth.

i dont even think ive seen an ermac with a major yet =/


it really isnt little work, you have to put in a lot to make people bend the way you want.
his only way of high damage is with a string, and they all start high, nothing overhead/low
so you literally need a jump in or need a string hit, which is hard compared to chars who have lows/highs
i find i get more combos off lift reads and punishes, and a combo started off a lift is only 31-33%

 

[Dark_Rob]

*Thread Cleaned*
MKF and Red Im so tired of having to moderate you two, so heres the way its gonna work. You two cant get along ever. So now your NOT allowed to talk to each other AT ALL. I dont care who starts it, whos responding or what. If I see you two communicating with each other in the forum, automatic infraction, no questions asked. You guys will never settle this so now Im going to settle it for you. Respond to this either one of you and its an infraction. Respond to each other and its an infraction. In short, on TYM, its over between you two.

 

[MKF30]

i agree with you mkf,but people are stubborn and will always view ermac the way they want to regardless of the truth.

i dont even think ive seen an ermac with a major yet =/


it really isnt little work, you have to put in a lot to make people bend the way you want.
his only way of high damage is with a string, and they all start high, nothing overhead/low
so you literally need a jump in or need a string hit, which is hard compared to chars who have lows/highs
i find i get more combos off lift reads and punishes, and a combo started off a lift is only 31-33%

Yep, I hear ya. He's been used by some people like Floe, LI Joe etc but like you said, Ermac alone has yet to just waste thru everyone. That would be cool to see though.

Yeah I hear ya Magic , I just think sometimes people overhype Ermac you know? Kano was busted with his up ball but now he's tweaked so not as bad lol, not complaining about Kano just saying. I don't mind him though, he's just tricky for Ermac you know? Yeah I noticed a lot more people are using Sektor now, especially against Ermac. I think he can handle him IMO.


Hey Kindred, I noticed you saw my post concerning the fireball/tk trap I love doing that. Great for zoning.

 

[ETC AdmiralAugustus]

Damn, good thing we got Wyatt Rob holding down the Ermac GD Thread.

 

[Kindred]

Honestly, the reality is this:
It's A LOT easier to complain against a character than to find strategies to beat him/her.
When it's things like infinites and no recovery after missing a potentially damaging combo then yes, thats problematic.
But when its crap like ''I cant jump towards him without getting TKP!!'' or ''OMG high damage combos!!!1'' then thats just complaning I would expect to hear from someone who just got the game.

 

[zaf]

time to share more info on ermac.

if you have seen aris's smoke you will know what i am talking about. Ive been doing this for a while, i didnt "steal" it from him. Its original. We both just found it out. he does it after an air grab, as it does give smoke more time to teleport to you

Only after a tkp, i do this, only time it works.

but....

after a tkp, you can teleport safely behind your oppoent when he is still on the ground, and this gives you a free oki.

 

[TheW1tchDoctor]

Disagree, Liu Kang is just as Easy and so is Kung Lao....other day I was playing around with Kung Lao for fun, 5 minutes I did a 34% combo with ease lol. No wonder he got uber nerfed....and let's not forget Raiden, Superman, teleport, grab/50/50 mix up combo, rinse and repeat.

People only say Ermac is easy because they can't handle his TK push....

It's like I've always said, Ermac may be easier to pick up and play casually (like a lot of others in the game) but hard to master. So far everyone that's won a tourney has won with Kung Lao, Raiden or Kabal(granted it was pre patch but still) I've yet to see anyone go thru everyone with just Ermac alone....til then I won't be convinced. That is all.

In all fairness, if you've played a lot of KL's, then figuring his combos is jsut a matter of replicating what you've seen before. I don't think kung lao is all too easy, a lot of his combos are intricate, and no offense to lui kang players, but their bread and butters are literally just repeated normals. That's pretty much as easy as it gets.