Ermac General Discussion Thread

[zaf]

I hate how this somehow always gets turned around into a "who has the easier combos then who" debate. When it comes down to character vs character, the one that is usually better is the character with the better utility. In all of my posts i mention this. Kung laos utility is amazing, this is why i constantly use him as an example against ermac. Ermacs combos do yield higher damage output, but kung lao has much easier times getting the combos in then ermac does.

 

[MKF30]

In all fairness, if you've played a lot of KL's, then figuring his combos is jsut a matter of replicating what you've seen before. I don't think kung lao is all too easy, a lot of his combos are intricate, and no offense to lui kang players, but their bread and butters are literally just repeated normals. That's pretty much as easy as it gets.

Kung Lao also had to be nerfed quite a few times which is why more people overall had issues with KL over Ermac....but KL now isn't an issue anymore...he was but not now, pre-nerfs he was ridiculous..hell he doesn't even need his ground hat honestly and he's still solid. But I'm saying Kung Lao's combos to do decent damage aren't that hard and unlike Ermac has a few high/low mix ups.

Liu Kang is only a threat IF he gets in close and does his little kick, juggle punch repeat combo...which is why Kang's easy in that respect. Ermac I think in terms of a range character may be easier but in terms of getting in, he has little to use which is why he has that TK push to keep people away.

 

[Hagen]

haha, just landed a nice comback!
1:1 in rounds i fought against a cage, i was able to land a TKP and 2 fireballs than he got in and beat the shit out of me! dont know why i didnt use the breaker but it came in handy later.....
i jumped over him in panic and landed a combo:
j.1, b1, 1, 4, TKL, j.1, j.tele
after landing i dashed instantly and went for the unblockable
b2 (charged), b1, TKL, Xray
he was dead and he did a ragequit! LOL

went to the training room and that unblockable setup is really good, cuz it hits nearly meaty! you are fucked if he rolls away on wackeup or if he does a wackeup attack, so i wouldnt abuse it! but for a desparation move it worked well!

 

[zaf]

So I started to do this really good ermac reset.

With the standard tkl bnbs, i started to drop the combo purposely after the teleport and not finish it with 2,2, tkp.
instead i let the opponent fall, and if they do not tech i charge the unblockable.
seems to have caught a lot of people off guard today.
i start to charge the unblockable and sometimes just dash cancel it out to bait someone who has caught on to this and see what can happen from here as well.

you guys should try this out, i managed to reset it 3 times in a row and im sure the opponent was kinda pissed,

 

[VIDA]

So I started to do this really good ermac reset.

With the standard tkl bnbs, i started to drop the combo purposely after the teleport and not finish it with 2,2, tkp.
instead i let the opponent fall, and if they do not tech i charge the unblockable.
seems to have caught a lot of people off guard today.
i start to charge the unblockable and sometimes just dash cancel it out to bait someone who has caught on to this and see what can happen from here as well.

you guys should try this out, i managed to reset it 3 times in a row and im sure the opponent was kinda pissed,

So your ErMac doesnt catch them with f4 on the way down before charging the unblockable?...I remember Floejisan using this alot at PDP, prepatch or not it was still effective.

 

[zaf]

No no, the entire combo is like this:

3,1 xx TKL Jump kick xx teleport

You let the opponent drop and hit the ground. Most of the time, people get up right away and run into the unblockable i had charging for them.
I guess they think i literally dropped the combo, or didnt realise what was happening before it is too late.

You can avoid this by teching when you hit the ground.
When this happens i dashed forward and would try 50/50's.

Do not hit them with the F4. This is what Floe was doing. Hitting with the F4 where i am dropping the combo and then doing the unblockable as that was known to actually hit until it was fixed.

Some people have caught on and have either stayed on the ground to avoid this or teched this to get out.

Some chars with fast wake ups like kung laos spin seem to beat this out if slightly timed off, or just straight out beat this.
So i have started charging this to trick them, dash back to cancel and bait out a wake up move.

You are basically sacrificing 10% of damage roughly ( or less ) for a nice mindgame/reset.
If the unblockable hits, repeat.

 

[Hagen]

dont forget, that you have to dash in before the unblockable!
dude i didnt know that you can dash out of the unblockable startup!
this setup is REALLY good!

 

[zaf]

yup you do need to dash after you drop them, sorry i forgot to add that.
ermac has always been able to cancel out of his unblockable, which is sick for tricking people

the set up is really really good, but it is by no means his new bnb replacemen
like i said it is not reliable all the time since some chars might have wake up options
i do not know if i was getting hit by kung lao spins cuz of the timing or cuz it doesnt work on him
people can also tech, but that i have a work around for.

hagen there is also the oki option i figured out as well, it seems it was skipped here when i posted it
but when you can catch someone in the air, or finish a combo with TKP, you have enough time to teleport behind them as they
are still on the ground and you can 50/50. I usually grab since it is most reliable.
this does not work with just a regular TKP while zoning as the opponent has enough time to get up
it is when they are higher in the air and get hit by tkp does it give you enough time.
i love to do his bnb into this, its like 50% lol

 

[zaf]

damn, i knew this reset was gay, but literally 50% of my matches now are just people quiting out on me LOL

 

[Hagen]

yeah, many MK players are pathetic! sooooo many ragequitters, its ridiculous!

thx for the tipps zaf!

 

[MKF30]

Not a big fan of resets but I do think I'll be experimenting with some of my own hehe, especially since these days the comp is getting tougher too.

 

[zaf]

kenshi is pretty rape, i can see the ermac numbers decling because of him and i generally see it happen over time
he used to be so cheap when the game came out but people are learning the match up.
not that it means anyting but in the match up chart hes like 11 now, so if hes not top ten i dont see his numbers growing

 

[zaf]

pulled some random BS off today on a scorpion player ( my FAVORITE btw)

he did an ex spear full screen so i tried to teleport and i fucked up shooting a fireball. his spears hit me, but then my fireball hits him and this negated the attack and he dropped. i didnt get pulled to him. so it looks like the super armor is obviously gone after he hits you rofl

 

[Kindred]

kenshi is pretty rape, i can see the ermac numbers decling because of him and i generally see it happen over time
he used to be so cheap when the game came out but people are learning the match up.
not that it means anyting but in the match up chart hes like 11 now, so if hes not top ten i dont see his numbers growing

wait what? Ermac is 11th? what chart is this? lol

 

[MKF30]

If you can get his Enhanced TK push in the corner, it's a great set up for a reset hehe.


But yeah, you don't even have to reset with him or do bigger combos anything from 40%+ some people rage quit just for me picking Ermac lmao...

 

[zaf]

it is getting harder to do resets on the good people from tym, they have seem to caught on and just do wake up moves, i just charge the unblockable and cancel it out and bait them more now >_>

some match up chart in the forums here kindred

 

[Kindred]

it is getting harder to do resets on the good people from tym, they have seem to caught on and just do wake up moves, i just charge the unblockable and cancel it out and bait them more now >_>

some match up chart in the forums here kindred

oh kk
How do you cancel the B+2?
you mean you just let go, then ermac hits without it being unblockable or is there a way to cancel to the whole animation?

 

[MKF30]

You can cancel B+2 by dashing, at least that's how I cancel it. lol

 

[zaf]

when i am doing my reset, if i have a feeling they will do a wakeup move. i cancel B2 then.

You can cancel b2 by dashing out of it.
try it in practise mode.

Ive also started to do this during matches like mid screen isntead of shooting something out.

Just like, shoot out a B2 and cancel right right away. Dont want to be stuck in that animation too long. If you do it fast enough like i am doing, you hear ermac grunt or whatever noise he makes when he does this move and there is a quick glow of green.

When people dash block TKP, you counter by dashing in and grabbing.
When your opponent adapts and you know your dash in grab might not be safe, this is the sort of time when i do the B2 cancel as a bait. Sometimes they even get scared enough where i can cancel it by dashing in forward and getting that grab again lol, although it wouldnt have worked without the fakeout.

 

[MKF30]

Yeah, that's the main reason I don't even mess with his B+2 resets because of fast wake ups...I'm too cautious lol

 

[zaf]

no need to be cautious, we all need to step out of our box and try anything new

if you dont like resets then fake them out, do the reset i use, but instead of letting b2 fully charge, cancel it out and bait the opponent. no harm done and you can still block.

you will lose a few % of damage, but it might actually gain you the upper hand if the opponent takes the bait. or it can allow you to see how your oppoentn reacts to get more reads in

 

[Xstatic]

I'm wondering, what do you guys use for pressure in terms of pokes and block strings. 312 isn't safe on block and f4 isn't either, so I'm apprehensive on using them too much. Is 31 + on block? I know b114 is good, but I would use that mainly after a cross-up since it is so slow. 12 seems pretty good because of the range and speed, but the first hit can be crouched. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[MKF30]

no need to be cautious, we all need to step out of our box and try anything new

if you dont like resets then fake them out, do the reset i use, but instead of letting b2 fully charge, cancel it out and bait the opponent. no harm done and you can still block.

you will lose a few % of damage, but it might actually gain you the upper hand if the opponent takes the bait. or it can allow you to see how your oppoentn reacts to get more reads in

Well, you can cancel out of it but still, the start up is slow and they can just wake up attack or roll back that's why it's good to be cautious. I don't even use that anyway and do very well with Ermac most of the time so it's all good.

 

[zaf]

but if you cancel out of it fast enough they wont be able to wake up attack you
if they roll back, i cancel it anyways
but play the way you like for sure, there is no "right" way to play


as for blockstrigs Xstatic, i use 31 into grabs, 31 into another 31
i have recently started to do b1, into f4 by stopping at b1 and doing the f4, it doesnt chain what so ever but people know how b114 works so they will still block and f4 comes out fast enough

after a blocked f4, you are safe i believe, at least according to tom brady.
if it does miss, i just block or poke with d1

 

[Xstatic]

but if you cancel out of it fast enough they wont be able to wake up attack you
if they roll back, i cancel it anyways
but play the way you like for sure, there is no "right" way to play


as for blockstrigs Xstatic, i use 31 into grabs, 31 into another 31
i have recently started to do b1, into f4 by stopping at b1 and doing the f4, it doesnt chain what so ever but people know how b114 works so they will still block and f4 comes out fast enough

after a blocked f4, you are safe i believe, at least according to tom brady.
if it does miss, i just block or poke with d1

Thanks. I'll start using 31 and f4 more. According to the guide on here, f4 can be punished by a fast special. I guess it is very match-up specific.